Still crazy about D114

[runrun411]

I know AG is coming out with a RW product that doesn't leave any protection behind but whatever else comes along has some big shoes to fill. D114 is some amazing stuff. Why oh why did Meguires have to discontinue it. SMH.

[osiapstndp]

Your post title reminds me of Paul Simon's "Still Crazy After All These Years."

Also, D114 is the real deal. I use it for practically everything. It's great as an aid at removing compound and polish residue.

[LSNAutoDetailing]

Nick will not let us down, as he has sent samples out to discerning testers. According to some of the early polling reports coming in from the testers, the results look good! I look forward to the new product once it's finalized.

[FUNX650]

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Bob

[Bunky]

What made D114 special was that it did not behave like a typical rinseless that behaved like a detailer. When you spread it coated the surface (like it had a wetting agent in it) and did not bead and want to run off.

[Setec Astronomy]

What made D114 special was that it did not behave like a typical rinseless that behaved like a detailer. When you spread it coated the surface (like it had a wetting agent in it) and did not bead and want to run off.

That's probably the most salient point I've heard about the performance of D114. Do you find it does that as a pre-spray, also?

I personally never made that observation with D114 but I've only used it a few times.

[pheerix]

I'm beta testing the AG rinseless. I think it will fill the D114 void very nicely.


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[Fast Eddie]

I'm beta testing the AG rinseless. I think it will fill the D114 void very nicely.


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Hopefully that's the case, because I only have 5 gallons of D114 left and I use it everyday.

[trashmanssd]

What made D114 special was that it did not behave like a typical rinseless that behaved like a detailer. When you spread it coated the surface (like it had a wetting agent in it) and did not bead and want to run off.

That and I found it flashed dry well on damp or cool days, when some other products dont seem to want to dry as easily. Other side of that i found it a little hard to use on hot dry days especially out in the sun.

[Eldorado2k]

That's probably the most salient point I've heard about the performance of D114. Do you find it does that as a pre-spray, also?

I personally never made that observation with D114 but I've only used it a few times.

He makes a good point and it's very true. This is typical of D114, even when sprayed this heavily it doesn't just bead up and run off.

D114:

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Wolfgang Uber on the other hand, especially if sprayed onto a wet surface pretty much falls right off the paint compared to D114 [and also D155 Last Touch and D115]

Wolfgang Uber:

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[runrun411]

I think that's because it's breaking down LSP's protective barriers. ONR is a great RW/WW also but it leave behind some polymers.

[Eldorado2k]

I think that's because it's breaking down LSP's protective barriers. ONR is a great RW/WW also but it leave behind some polymers.

I'd argue that those so called polymers do a greater job of breaking down lsp's. IMO whenever a product does it's work to leave it's own distinctive behavior on the surface or on top of another lsp, it doesn't just lay on top without disturbing, but it removes a bit of the lsp while it decides to squat on top of it... Remember what the directions on the bottle of Rejex said? Solvents, polymers, etc... You either want them, or in the case of D114, you don't.


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[Eldorado2k]

I just did a 50/50 test to show the difference in behavior between D114 and Wolfgang Uber.

Wolfgang Uber[emoji1372]
Megs D114[emoji1371]

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Notice how D114 lays flat on the paint, almost as if it never learned how to bead.

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Wolfgang Uber. Beads.

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Just prior to wiping it down, I sprayed even more Uber across the hood. Still beads.

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[FUNX650]

I think that's because it's breaking
down LSP's protective barriers.

ONR is a great RW/WW also but
it leave behind some polymers.
•If used at the recommended RW/WW
dilution ratios...ONR is not supposed
to break down or remove existing LSPs.

•If true, then:
-I would think that if D114 were
to be likewise diluted to be at its
recommended RW/WW ratios,
that the same results would also
occur; ie: no breaking-down of LSPs.


•I keep in mind that:
-RWs/WWs contain their very own
particular type(s) of surfactant(s);
and, that those surfactants...and
their micelles... can act as "wetting
agents"---which, in turn, makes the
RW/WW cleaning solution more able
to lift the dirt-y contaminates up and
away from the vehicles' surfaces that
have been LSP-ed.


JMO...YMMV.


Bob

[mwoolfso]

I'd argue that those so called polymers do a greater job of breaking down lsp's. IMO whenever a product does it's work to leave it's own distinctive behavior on the surface or on top of another lsp, it doesn't just lay on top without disturbing, but it removes a bit of the lsp while it decides to squat on top of it... Remember what the directions on the bottle of Rejex said? Solvents, polymers, etc... You either want them, or in the case of D114, you don't.


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On the contrary.... the product itself isn't the cause of breaking down the LSP, whether surfectants, polymers, carriers, etc...... IT IS THE MECHANICAL WIPE activity with the towel that will break down the LSP.