Mckee's paint coating problems.

The instructions on the bottle say to wipe it immediately.

That said as per the other recent threads, it will depend on temps and humidity but in today's heat most places it will begin to flash quickly. The wipe off you experienced...try letting it flash for a little longer. The carrier solvents will need to evaporate a bit in order to prevent it from smearing during wipe off.

Most coatings will be slightly grabby to not slick. That's normal. McKees is very similar in that respect to Cquartz.

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Got a coating job tomorrow. Will let you know what I think then. So far I think the new version is harder to use. But my sprayers were not working on the last job so that did not help matters at all. Tomorrow I will try a dropper and if I don't like it I purchased 2 sprayers. I think the new product is much harder to remove. I hope that the loss of user friendliness is a step towards better shine, hydrophobic effect and/or durability. Would be nice if Nick jumped in and explained that changes in the new version.

Calendyr said:

Got a coating job tomorrow. Will let you know what I think then. So far I think the new version is harder to use. But my sprayers were not working on the last job so that did not help matters at all. Tomorrow I will try a dropper and if I don't like it I purchased 2 sprayers. I think the new product is much harder to remove. I hope that the loss of user friendliness is a step towards better shine, hydrophobic effect and/or durability. Would be nice if Nick jumped in and explained that changes in the new version.

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IMO the durability is better and IIRC it had a nicer look overall. However, compared to the competition, I don't see the hydrophobic property as being anything but slightly better than a sealant.

68bowtie said:

Just spent over 5hrs detailing my truck looking forward to trying mckee's new coating. Wasn't really happy with it. I had there first version and liked it. This version seemed hard to apply. First I watched the video and read the instructions but it doesn't really tell u how long to wait till u wipe it off, which I found frustrating. I searched on here and couldnt find a real answer. So I sprayed it on, did a few up and down, back and forth passes and wiped it off. It didn't wipe off the best. I wasnt sure if I was supposed to wait a little or wipe it off right away. So now after spending all the time getting the truck swirl free I'm not confident I got a good coat on. Wishing i just would of went with my regular sealant, would of been faster. Plus I'm not impressed with the slickness of the coating. Definitely not as slick as 3d poly.

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I feel your pain. I found v2 to be a PITA to apply.

68bowtie said:

Just spent over 5hrs detailing my truck looking forward to trying mckee's new coating. Wasn't really happy with it. I had there first version and liked it. This version seemed hard to apply. First I watched the video and read the instructions but it doesn't really tell u how long to wait till u wipe it off, which I found frustrating. I searched on here and couldnt find a real answer. So I sprayed it on, did a few up and down, back and forth passes and wiped it off. It didn't wipe off the best. I wasnt sure if I was supposed to wait a little or wipe it off right away. So now after spending all the time getting the truck swirl free I'm not confident I got a good coat on. Wishing i just would of went with my regular sealant, would of been faster. Plus I'm not impressed with the slickness of the coating. Definitely not as slick as 3d poly.

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The coating is not supposed to leave the surface slick, at least not right away. If slickness is important, follow with a detail spray the following day.

For some of us a liquid wax or paint sealant is still the best option, especially us "old school" guys. If your goal for "waxing" your vehicle is to keep it simple, then I would recommend using a product like our Trademark Poli-Coat Wax. It's a liquid wax that's a breeze to apply, and it leaves the surface slick as can be. I'll gladly send you a bottle in exchange for the Paint Coating. Send me an email: [email protected]

TTQ B4U said:

The instructions on the bottle say to wipe it immediately.

That said as per the other recent threads, it will depend on temps and humidity but in today's heat most places it will begin to flash quickly. The wipe off you experienced...try letting it flash for a little longer. The carrier solvents will need to evaporate a bit in order to prevent it from smearing during wipe off.

Most coatings will be slightly grabby to not slick. That's normal. McKees is very similar in that respect to Cquartz.

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boomdone said:

I feel your pain. I found v2 to be a PITA to apply.

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Once you dial in your technique (required for any coating), it shouldn't be a "PITA" to remove at all...

Try using a towel that's NOT plush to remove the excess coating, something like a (high quality) all purpose microfiber towel. I'm not a fan of using a thick towel or a "suede" towel to remove this particular coating.

Same experience. V2 is really hard to remove, even wiping immediately. I will say it does get super slick once cured, better than Cquartz. I experimented cutting mckee's V2 3:1 with 10 Min paint sealant and it gave it much better work time and ease of removal, but no clue how it will effect its durability. Using a dropper didn't help any compared to a sprayer.

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68bowtie said:

Nick, my main question is do I do my passes with the applicator then wipe excess right away, or do I wait a little before I wipe it off. Thanks

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Directions:

1. Wash vehicle using McKee's 37 Coating Prep Auto Wash.
2. Ensure surface is cool to the touch and out of direct sunlight.
3. Place your hand in a plastic sandwich baggy and feel the paint. If it feels rough or gritty, use McKee's 37 Universal Detailing Clay.
4. If your vehicle is BRAND NEW, apply McKee's 37 Coating Prep Polish. This step is crucial as it will remove below-surface contaminants and embedded dirt. If your vehicle has swirl marks or scratches, polish the paint and then use our N-914 Diluted 1:8 to wipe it down.
5. Working one panel at a time, spray McKee's 37 Paint Coating directly onto the paint and evenly distribute using the supplied applicator.
6. Work the coating into the paint using a side-to-side and up-and-down hand motion, overlapping each pass.
7. Immediately remove excess using a clean, lint-free microfiber towel.

I dont know why Nick is against using a MF Suede ( think Carpro LARGE suedes sold here ) to buff off/remove the excess coating ont he panels, but I had significantly better luck using the suedes to remove the coating than I did with standard short pile MFs. The suedes allowed to be minimize high spots on my dark blue truck.

All in all the v2 was better for me, I think.

Did a coating job this afternoon. I used a dropper instead of a sprayer. Did not see that much difference in the application. Did a few drops (about 5 to 10) on the micro-suede applicator amd did one panel at a time. The application is similar to V1, the product is a little more grabby but goes on nicelly. The removal is where it all changed. Today I used 2 microfiber towels to remove it: One to do the wipe down on the wet panel and a second one to try to make it smear free. That part is not fun when working in low light. I was in an underground garage today and despite the 600W of lighting I bring to completment what ever is there, I hard a hard time to see well enough to remove every single smear. I had to do a lot of touching up afterwards using my swirl finder light.

With all that said, if the product is better in terms of result, I don't mind the extra work. The funny thing is I never purchased Cquartz because I did not want to apply coatings that were extra work

I have been using this coating for a couple months now. Although I have nothing to compare it too, I have to say, it is a good coating and my customers really like it. The only complaint that I have is that the sprayers clog up after the first use and even sometimes before I end the first use. Other than that, I haven't had any other issues. I usually apply and wipe off immediately.

My bottle says wipe immediately too. You said you read the bottle? Does yours not have that on there? This is really odd.

Ok an other coating job today. For some reason I cannot explain I did not put back my Geyon foam block in my coating kit after the last coating I did so I was unable to use my normal application method (with the micro suede over the block). I was forced to use the foam applicator that McKee's send with the coating. Here are my thoughts on that:

1) Since the sprayers all clogged up the on the 3 bottles I had, (2 left now) I installed a dropper cap on one of the bottles and have used it for a second time today. I think it's a bit faster to apply the product to the applicator compared to spraying 5 times into it... but really I would not say it's better or worse.

2) The McKee's foam applicator had a tendency of dripping product when I was was doing vertical panels. So that was annoying. I might be using too much product with 5 drops, maybe if I sprayed into it less product would be present, will have to do more testing.

3) The removal was much easier after using the McKee's applicator. So I am thinking that the new formula is not really compatible with micro suede applicators for a reason I cannot really understand. But today, even if I was working outside, in the sun, removal was easy. First buff was not as sticky, I felt a little resistance from the product but not much as opposed to trying to level molasses last time around. So if you are using something else than McKee's applicator foam block, give it a try, it might resolve your issues.

So that's that. Falling back in love with this coating What a great value this product is! 45$ to coat 5 cars, no other company is even close.

MF suede applicators tend to separate components of some products. It's probably easily testable. But if you put a drop of some products on the suede, you'll see the spot expand, and then have concentric rings. I suppose it has to do with consistency/solubility of "ingredients" (think oil/water). Might not be the case with coatings but worth looking into.

I've coated my vehicle with the V2 version and have been very happy with it. I prefer it over the Wolfgang Uber coating. The only issue I have is my sprayer is clogged.

Is it possible to unclog the sprayer or do you have to throw them away?

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AZpolisher15 said:

MF suede applicators tend to separate components of some products. It's probably easily testable. But if you put a drop of some products on the suede, you'll see the spot expand, and then have concentric rings. I suppose it has to do with consistency/solubility of "ingredients" (think oil/water). Might not be the case with coatings but worth looking into.

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Interesting. I used that method and didn't notice anything. In the end the suedes are just MF look a likes , and there is no actual suede being used.

MrOneEyedBoh said:

Interesting. I used that method and didn't notice anything. In the end the suedes are just MF look a likes , and there is no actual suede being used.

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Definitely not all products separate on suede. But put a drop of PlastX on suede and see what happens. The abrasives stay in the center and the carriers spread out.

When working with CQ or Gtechniq I tend to stripe the applicator 3 times, then apply three drops.

With CQUK, it’s recommended to apply fairly heavy.

In the course, I’ll go through about 10 MF sued towels for the initial wipe off and equal in regular MF as the follow up. The two towel technique is a must.


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