Does carnauba have a cure time?
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custmsprty
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Shouldn't matter.
FUNX650
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Re: Does carnauba have a cure time?
•If there are no time constraints for a
vehicle’s availability, I try to allot ~12-24
hour time period for a natural-based Wax,
such as Carnauba Wax, “to harden”.
-On the other hand, some may call the
process that occurs during that ~12-24
time period “cure time”.
{To clarify: I try my utmost to keep the
“cure time” terminology associated with
synthetic-based paint LSPs.}
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Bob
•If there are no time constraints for a
vehicle’s availability, I try to allot ~12-24
hour time period for a natural-based Wax,
such as Carnauba Wax, “to harden”.
-On the other hand, some may call the
process that occurs during that ~12-24
time period “cure time”.
{To clarify: I try my utmost to keep the
“cure time” terminology associated with
synthetic-based paint LSPs.}
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IMO: No
Bob
IMHO the "cure time" is the time until the wax hazes up, because the solvents from it have evaporated. So by the time you buffed it off, the wax has already "cured".
Kamakaz1961
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IMO No. You have 2 types of waxes. Wax On and Wipe off and Wipe on wait til it hazes and then wipe off. I think most are cured at that time. I could be wrong, however, I would not worry if it rains a couple of hours later. All I know is that if it rains a couple of hours after a detail...THAT SUCKS!....LOL
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If it doesn't bead, your screwed.
The OP specifically asked about carnauba. And carnauba - or anything with a substantial amount of carnauba in it - is definitely not a wipe on-wipe off product. The latter application technique is specific to polymer based synthetic products, which cure faster, however, are not actually waxes (and especially not carnauba wax), regardless of their manufacturer possibly calling them that in their product names.
For ex. Meguiar's calls their Ultimate Wax obviously a wax, even though it has no natural wax in it whatsoever, but is a fully synthetic product. There are also hybrid products, like Meguiar's Gold Class Wax, which has both natural wax and polymers, but is still called a wax. Actually, most - if not all - modern products that are called "wax" are either partially or fully synthetic polymers nowadays. And they're only called waxes for marketing reasons, and because ordinary laymen have no clue what's a sealant, but did definitely hear of waxes. So, that's (ie. a "wax") what they'll be looking for, and product name is formulated with that in mind.
But if a product has any substantial amount of natural wax in it, it definitely can not be just wiped on and wiped off, and still leave actual wax back on the surface.
Kamakaz1961
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Sorry but you are wrong. I can give many examples of a carnauba wax that is a wax on wax off wax. Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax is a perfect example. I can name many others too.
Pinnacle Souveran Paste Carnauba Wax is Brilliant on Red- Awesome on Black! Souver?n? is hand poured, one container at a time, and boxed with an
Pinnacle Souveran Paste Carnauba Wax is Brilliant on Red- Awesome on Black! Souver?n? is hand poured, one container at a time, and boxed with an
Loach
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Other than coatings, off the top of my head nothing else has really stood out as having a performance boost by specifically waiting 12-24 hours for anything to cure, compared to rinsing an hour after application. I suppose it’s possible there’s an impact in the long term but that becomes irrelevant once a topper is applied IMO. So with your wax I wouldn’t worry much if it gets wet, enjoy the beads!
FUNX650
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•I, on the other hand, call the time that it
takes for the Wax to haze-up, the Wax’s
drying-time.
•Then:
-Once the Wax has dried/hazed-up; those dry,
hazy residues have been removed; and, it has
undergone an obligatory buffing process—that’s
the very beginning of the Wax’s total curing-time.
•What is the total cure-time of Waxes
formulated from naturally-based ingredients,
such as Carnauba Wax?
Which leads back to the OP’s original questioning.
•In a nutshell:
-Is it harmful (in any way, shape, or form) if
naturally-based Waxes become “wetted” before
they have completed their total cure-time?
Bob
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Yes. Most the PBMG (and McKee's) Paste waxes are WOWO. I believe P21S is too (can’t remember if you’re supposed to wait x time though).
Wrong about what?
Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax is a perfect example of a HYBRID wax that has polymers added to it.
I'm sure you can name a lot of products that have either "wax" in their names, or even have some carnauba in them - or both. But that's not what we're talking about here though, even though I've addressed those, too.
McKee's 37 Carnauba Paste Wax is also a hybrid wax, with added polymers.
So, how does the wax "cure" after all solvents have evaporated? The wax has returned to its rock hard, non-reactive, solid state. What chemical process do you think is still going on after that (other than degradation of the wax caused by UV, heat and environmental factors), what could be called "curing"?
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That’s why I posted this earlier:
•Do you think that Waxes’ “hardening”
process (chemically speaking) is somehow
instantaneous?
-I don’t.
Bob
acuRAS82
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If we’re splitting hairs like that, please tell me an example of a carnauba heavy, not too synthetic product; given you don’t believe Souveran has enough carnauba or has too many polymers?
Let me quote myself from yesterday: "Actually, most - if not all - modern products that are called "wax" are either partially or fully synthetic polymers nowadays. And they're only called waxes for marketing reasons, and because ordinary laymen have no clue what's a sealant, but did definitely hear of waxes. So, that's (ie. a "wax") what they'll be looking for, and product name is formulated with that in mind."
The point and the question here are not whether any particular product can be considered a natural carnauba wax or not, because OP specifically asked about carnauba and carnauba waxes' curing time - and I replied in that context, explaining that carnauba wax itself can be considered cured when the solvents have evaporated, which is signaled by the carnauba wax itself hazing up (as that's the natural color of that compound when present in at least microns of thickness).
So, what I said is true for natural carnauba wax only - and if a product contains other stuff, that for ex. uses polymer technology (which works completely different, than simple solvent-based compounds), then obviously what I said does not or at least might not apply to that particular product.
Also, the fact that a product contains some carnauba, does not mean that it's actually carnauba that's working its magic in there, or that it has any measurable effect on the outcome of how the product works; or that a significant amount of carnauba is left back cured on the surface after its been wiped off. See again marketing! Ie. some manufacturers might add some - possibly negligible - amount of carnauba to their products just for the very sake of being able to say that there's "carnauba" in it, or that it's in some way "natural", solely because of the positive feelings associated with these words, without these ingredients actually doing anything in the product or being determining in how these products achieve their results.
Paul A.
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I have the opinion that carnauba waxes don't "cure" in the sense that polymer components do. I always thought wax simply hardens. I guess some would call that curing but polymer chains crosslink over a period of time and I equate that with "curing".
I also don't think water on a freshly applied layer of natural waxes not only doesn't hurt but sometimes helps harden the wax (if cold enough). There used to be a practice called "spitshining" carnauba's...using a mist of iced water to chill down the wax to harden it up and buffing to a glossier shne.
I also don't think water on a freshly applied layer of natural waxes not only doesn't hurt but sometimes helps harden the wax (if cold enough). There used to be a practice called "spitshining" carnauba's...using a mist of iced water to chill down the wax to harden it up and buffing to a glossier shne.