Hey, I wanted to do a two bucket suds wash every couple weeks and maybe throw in a rinseless wash the alternating weeks using ONRWW. Feeling a bit like there ends up being too much crap on the car after a week goes by, do I need to knock that off with a hose first? Was hoping to use my marolex sprayer to pretreat with ONR and then just hit it with the ONRWW but not sure how much crud is too much to do these rinseless washes. Also, i want to use distilled water for the ONRWW so if I am pre rinsing with tap water doesnt that mean i could end up with spots after the ONRWW? Confused about this rinseless wash thing if it even makes sense for me even though I like the mobility and convenience of it.
ONRWW rinseless wash advice
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PaulMys
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Depends on what you define as "Too much crap on the car".
If you have heavy pollen/dirt, caked on mud, or the like, then a rinseless is not really the way to go IMO.
But just light dust, road film from driving, or the "drove through a rain storm" film is when to use the RW.
ALWAYS pretreat the panels, and use even more towels than you think you'll need until you dial-in your process.
Pre-rinsing with "tap water" won't induce spots, as you only do one panel at a time and then immediately dry when using a RW.
I was a little skeptical (scared) to try RW's at first too. But they are now how I wash my truck about 75% of the time during the summer.
Use common sense, pre-treat each panel, use top quality MF towels/mitts with the proper technique, and you will soon love the convenience of the Rinseless Wash.
If you have heavy pollen/dirt, caked on mud, or the like, then a rinseless is not really the way to go IMO.
But just light dust, road film from driving, or the "drove through a rain storm" film is when to use the RW.
ALWAYS pretreat the panels, and use even more towels than you think you'll need until you dial-in your process.
Pre-rinsing with "tap water" won't induce spots, as you only do one panel at a time and then immediately dry when using a RW.
I was a little skeptical (scared) to try RW's at first too. But they are now how I wash my truck about 75% of the time during the summer.
Use common sense, pre-treat each panel, use top quality MF towels/mitts with the proper technique, and you will soon love the convenience of the Rinseless Wash.
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I was just going to start thread about this. I’ll just keep watching this one, sorry man I’m new here. Still learning myself
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When used correctly, there should be little to no runoff from the roof.
When you take your towel out of the rinseless solution, you very gently wring it until it stops "running". Dripping is what you are looking for.
I really enjoy doing RW now, I was scared as he!! the first couple of time since Acura/Honda paint is soft as melted butta, but now it’s second nature, may actually do it in a few minutes!
A couple of questions to those in the know:
1. I keep a 5 gallon bucket filled with about 4 gallons of distilled water that has a gamma seal lid and RW solution with towels soaking, how and when would you replenish the RW solution when it starts getting low? How long is it good for?
2. Paul, you mention wringing out the towel of excess water, why is this done? Wouldn’t more water be better to keep from marring the paint?
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A couple of questions to those in the know:
1. I keep a 5 gallon bucket filled with about 4 gallons of distilled water that has a gamma seal lid and RW solution with towels soaking, how and when would you replenish the RW solution when it starts getting low? How long is it good for?
2. Paul, you mention wringing out the towel of excess water, why is this done? Wouldn’t more water be better to keep from marring the paint?
Thank you
Jay
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PaulMys
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Not really a "Wring out". Just a gentle squeeze so the towel isn't filling up your shoes as you go to the paint. It's a fine line.
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You just sqeeze towel enough so it’s not dripping. I use to do what you did with the rinseless and it depends. With Ech20 2-3 weeks.... 5 weeks with N-914. Now i just mix about 1.5 gallons in a 2gallon bucket.
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I used to store my solution but for me it’s best to just mix up smaller batches and use what I need( another great benefit of the GDWM). If I know I’ll use it the next day I may mix up more but too often for me life gets in the way and taking the gamma off after a week and getting a whiff of stale solution makes me sick
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What if the water from bucket collects dirt?
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It shouldn’t, because all you’re ever doing is pulling out fresh clean wet towels out of the bucket and putting the gamma seal lid back on it.
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I don't wrong out the towel at all. If it drips, it drips. More lubrication is always better, I don't really trust ONR to be honest, because I used to use ONR with BRS, and I pre-treated quite liberally. I used it on top of glosscoat, and I found swirl marks a year later.
Different car, never used ONR on it, used another Rinseless with the towels and found no issues.
Different car, never used ONR on it, used another Rinseless with the towels and found no issues.
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Will sports, what brand product do you now use? I also thrift ONR was over rated your reply confirmed it. This is why I ask the dumbest question, the smallest detail make the biggest difference.
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So i’m thinkin marolex sprayer with ONR and distilled agua pre treat with some dwell time, if I can find a nice cool overcast day I can just pre treat entire vehicle otherwise panel by panel top down. If the car is super cruddy hose it off first. Then i will have a gallon with ONRWW diluted with distilled and 5 or 6 creature microfibers in it and a separate bucket to dump the dirty microfibers, and just go to town folding the microfibers in squares wringing out to lightly dripping, and then first pass is to apply ONRWW then dry with microfiber or do I do a second pass with a clean MF section and ONRWW and then dry and then after entire car is gone over do I use remaining solution for wheels and tires? Maybe touch up with an instant detailer as needed?
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Sounds like a good plan. I would incorporate more towels, 10ish. Using remainder on wheels is perfect. If using onr i would use that at waterless dilution for spot treating.
Route i started and one thing i would definitely recommend is upgradimg from creatures. I didnt like the short nap side of the towels for rinseless washing. The 350 or 500 eagle edgeless are perfect for rinslessing.
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Funny how different experiences can be. I actually threw away the handful of eagle edgeless towels I had because I disliked them so much.
The creature, to me, is almost the perfect towel. When I rinseless wash with it I use the plush sides to go over a panel. When all the sides are used up, I wring it out, and use the short nap sides to do most of my drying. Then I follow up with a drying towel to finish off whatever’s left. Not usually worried about picking up dirt or debris since I use my pressure washer to rinse my car beforehand.
I tried the eagles for detail sprays, polish removal, prep wipe, you name it. Just could never really dial in a use for them.
Part of me thinks TRC edgeless 350 might be their perfect towel for me to use for everything, just gotta buy some eventually.
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Rinseless with a EE 500 (I use about 10) Hydrate as a drying aid.... dry with a PFM.... perfection. I’ve tried both the Creatures and the Edgeless 350.... i liked creatures better but i like a longer nap.
Just ordered in the 16x16 pluffles to try....
Feel like a bootleg Fly07sti with my mini towel hoard
Edit: I have not tried Eagle edgeless 350 I have the edgeless 365’s. I’ll have to try the EE 350’s
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I guess in my sleepy haze last night I had the towels mixed up in my head. I was actually thinking of the edgeless 365 being my towel soulmate. To me they look like a less plush creature, which would also be appealing to me. I’d like to buy some to try/go all in replacing some of my other towels with those or more creature edgeless, but I’m trying to find somewhere I could donate my older towels to.
Maybe an animal shelter or something, idk. Feels bad to just throw them away (my eagles were an exception, that was therapeutic for me, lol)
Does the longer nap not end up snagging on your paint? That’s my biggest issue with using something like the EE or minx. As soon as moisture was introduced to the situation they would start dragging on the paint and linting. Was super frustrating.
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I have heard of the linting but haven’t had an issue. Mine came direct fromTRC. I have notice differences from ones (not EE)I got from Amazon vs TRC.
The were everests and pluffle. Dont know if less quality but looked different, maybe old stock vs new?
I love the creatures at first was a great starter towel but they broke down on me fast.
The 365gsm’s are definitely a better quality and shorter nap on the fluffy side.
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