New Ultimate Strip Wash?

I'm sorry, but I don't get it.

Why would I want to use this instead of a different chemical stripper? To save time? Maybe this is stronger? (i think this is a polish & a chemical stripper in one, since I think it has micro abrasives?)

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What once was old is now new again. Essentially Meguiar's wash plus.
 
The Guz said:
What once was old is now new again. Essentially Meguiar's wash plus.
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In the comments, Esoteric says they are different. “One's designed for washing...the other is designed for stripping durable coating-maintenance products.”

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Saw the video and am intrigued due to eliminating the machine polishing prep step. Apparently Fireball also came out with something like this a few months ago called Wax Off which accomplishes the same thing.
 
vaced said:
In the comments, Esoteric says they are different. “One's designed for washing...the other is designed for stripping durable coating-maintenance products.”

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Right. He claimed it is different than Wash Plus. Hmmm
 
Sweet! Looks promising. More promising than some of the comments on that video.
 
Doesn't PS21 sell a paint cleanser? Fireball and tacsystems both have paint cleansers and i'm sure there are others. I think Angelwax has one too.

The prices on kamikaze are just ridiculous. Much like polish angel except at least polish angel have some more affordable products like my beloved rapidwaxx - very nice stuff.

I used to watch esoteric but they are salesman first and foremost. I never did understand why Todd acts like it's some kind of right of passage to throw towels away after you ceramic coat...? What a waste...use it for something.

He acts like he's some kind authority on detailing. Well not in my world lol

The priming pad video was just silly with the gloss meter - a flawed instrument in the real world.
 
I saw an add for a Rustoleum Tar & Wax Remover. Supposedly as prep for wet sanding to "extend sandpaper life". Anyone use that stuff before?

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Meguiar's Wash Plus always had the following weaknesses: How much pressure I needed to use, how small the effective working area was, and the marring aftermath.

Suppose I use an "abrasive" or "cleansing" approach during the wash process. In that case, I've got a lot of water both on the paint and in the mitt acting as a lubricant which reduces the ability of the abrasives or cleaners to bite into the surface and work effectively. This forces me to put more pressure down and load up the wash mitt more often, I'm working in a 1x1' or 2x2' section before loading the mitt back up, and I'm left with marring that needs to be cleaned up with the polisher afterward. Better to skip the Wash Plus entirely, just wash the paint regularly and go with a polisher, my arms will thank me.

I think the intent for Wash Plus wasn't to be used as a decon soap wax/sealant stripper, but to be able to bite against stubborn bug guts, certain grimy areas, or tar spots when you needed to, just load up on the mitt and tackle them with a light pressure approach. To really dig into removing LSPs, that took some serious pressure, and depending on how fresh even 2+ attempts on the same small area.

If Kamikaze can figure out how to improve on the shortcomings that I noticed with trying to use Wash Plus as a dedicated stripper, then I'd be willing to try that out until I see the standard Kamikaze price tag.
 
So, not to get off topic, but the amateur historian(and someone closely associated with a Pacific War submarine) how is it the term "Kamikaze" came to be held in a positive light? "Divine Wind" in itself would be a catchy name, no doubt, perhaps cooler. But I can't forget October 25, 1944, when the first "Divine Wind" graced the flight decks of Taffy 3s escort carriers. Or the over 200 other USN vessels struck by them.

It just brings up some salt in the back of the mouth, if you know what I mean.

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The Guz said:
Makes me wonder if he even ever used wash plus.
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I bet he hasn't. Thing about Esoteric is they seem to shun the "lower tier" mainstream brands. He's definitely biased towards the boutique brands and goes for the expensive lines, which makes sense for his business.

I always joked and said I could put Tec582 in a Gyeon bottle and not tell them what it was and he'd rave about it.
 
CleanIT said:
Thing about Esoteric is they seem to shun the "lower tier" mainstream brands. He's definitely biased towards the boutique brands and goes for the expensive lines
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That guy is boujee. Lol.

Loach said:
I'd be willing to try that out until I see the standard Kamikaze price tag.
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Have you used any of that Dawn Powerwash lately for anything detail related? I recall seeing you test it in a video a while back. Curious to see if it’s something you continue to use.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Have you used any of that Dawn Powerwash lately for anything detail related? I recall seeing you test it in a video a while back. Curious to see if it’s something you continue to use.
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I actually use it quite often for dishes! For detailing I have not, but I've not been significantly testing products for the last few years, the bulk of my washes have been rinseless for the cars that I look after.

Powerwash was very strong, but I would want to test it out on a jet black panel to really see if it was etching the surface after spraying and I never did. Adam's Strip Wash I saw left etch marks where I dripped it undiluted onto a black Honda, but as soon as you dilute it in a bucket with a few gallons you really lose that strength it has.

That's always been the issue with chemical decon, it needs to be strong enough to try to cut through protection, but there's probably a fine line where it's too strong to cause etch marks that need to be polished. Or too strong for sensitive trim and rubber. So there's a usage for this style of mechanical decon during the wash process less reliant on harsher chemicals, it just needs to be efficient and marring-free, and cost-effective.
 
Loach said:
I actually use it quite often for dishes! For detailing I have not, but I've not been significantly testing products for the last few years, the bulk of my washes have been rinseless for the cars that I look after.

Powerwash was very strong, but I would want to test it out on a jet black panel to really see if it was etching the surface after spraying and I never did. Adam's Strip Wash I saw left etch marks where I dripped it undiluted onto a black Honda, but as soon as you dilute it in a bucket with a few gallons you really lose that strength it has.

That's always been the issue with chemical decon, it needs to be strong enough to try to cut through protection, but there's probably a fine line where it's too strong to cause etch marks that need to be polished. Or too strong for sensitive trim and rubber. So there's a usage for this style of mechanical decon during the wash process less reliant on harsher chemicals, it just needs to be efficient and marring-free, and cost-effective.
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Power wash is very strong and dries the skin like no other. The only use I have found for it outside of the kitchen sink is oil stain treatment on the driveway, does ok at that. Stain treatment on jeans too.

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Loach said:
Meguiar's Wash Plus always had the following weaknesses: How much pressure I needed to use, how small the effective working area was, and the marring aftermath.

Suppose I use an "abrasive" or "cleansing" approach during the wash process. In that case, I've got a lot of water both on the paint and in the mitt acting as a lubricant which reduces the ability of the abrasives or cleaners to bite into the surface and work effectively. This forces me to put more pressure down and load up the wash mitt more often, I'm working in a 1x1' or 2x2' section before loading the mitt back up, and I'm left with marring that needs to be cleaned up with the polisher afterward. Better to skip the Wash Plus entirely, just wash the paint regularly and go with a polisher, my arms will thank me.

I think the intent for Wash Plus wasn't to be used as a decon soap wax/sealant stripper, but to be able to bite against stubborn bug guts, certain grimy areas, or tar spots when you needed to, just load up on the mitt and tackle them with a light pressure approach. To really dig into removing LSPs, that took some serious pressure, and depending on how fresh even 2+ attempts on the same small area.

If Kamikaze can figure out how to improve on the shortcomings that I noticed with trying to use Wash Plus as a dedicated stripper, then I'd be willing to try that out until I see the standard Kamikaze price tag.
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Man you were one of the first guys I watched and appreciated your video’s. I learned a lot from you and glad to see you back on the forums.


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