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I’ve been a bit absent from this space the last 1.5 - 2 years as I’ve mainly been getting into my other hobby sim racing. I built a sim racing rig and have been enjoying that.

I have a new white hot hatch which I ordered a year ago arriving in a month or so and starting to prep for the detail. I’ll of course ask the dealer to leave it alone.

Being out of the game a little I’m not too familiar with current products. I know CarPro and Megs just released a new coating I’m interested in but there might not be enough time to wait for release. I installed Gyeon Pure on my Black car about 1.5 years ago and Gyeon Synchro on my wife’s. Both still going strong. Of the two I like Mohs the best and given the new car is white as well it should look similar. Is there anything else I should throw on the list? Is Mohs still considered one of the best options? I’ll buy the 50ml and do the wheels too, but maybe only one coat for the paint and no Skin this time. The car has some black trims and a glass sun roof. Do
I need separate products for these? I’d rather not buy 3 different products. Any suggestions? Tbh my current glass has no coating and it’s constantly beading from washes and ceramic detailers as drying aids. Perhaps Mohs for the trim too and a dedicated glass coating? I think Gyeon a semi coating quick view? Maybe a full coating for the glass sunroof would be better? I’m not too keen on a full coating for the windows, but I guess if I bought one I’d do it. I’d like to get away with Mohs for the sunroof if I can though given I’ll have the 50ml.

For the polish I used Scholls S30 with a LC Orange SDO for both cars previously which worked great. Looks awesome and probably removed 90% of defects. I’m interested to try perfect finish or Koch chemie m 3.02 I think it is. I actually emailed KC about this a year ago and was told it’s for rotary machines only and not DAs. I’ve seen so many use it as a polish for DAs though… weird. Suggestions on a polish?

I have some Cure, heaps of eraser, iron x that is maybe 1.5-2 years old. Still good to go? I assume yes.


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A little back story first, I recently had to remove some nasty tree sap from my Mum's Qashqai, after doing some testing I thought it was going to be a complete Eraser wipe down job, but I started by foaming it with Carpro Lift, which removed pretty much all of it, but I did the Eraser wipe down any way. Here's the point of this little story, I then got to start fresh, so I polished it with Carpro Essence, which has amongst its features that it helps with the bonding of Carpro coatings. But I didn't go with those, I already had NV Lustre and Jet which I layered on. The end result was this paint is the glossiest I've ever seen it. I've also used it on the white roof on my FJ Cruiser, with the same NV coatings layered on top, it still looks good, and is beading up nicely, despite being parked outside 24/7. Essence is very easy to work with, goes on easy, wipes off easy.

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I have NV Jet which I’ve used before and is quite good. I also have tried NVs coating and tbh had a pretty bad experience due to what I believe was a faulty or expired item perhaps. I get it’s a great product and I got unlucky, but after the experience I had I just can’t use that coating again.

I’d try essence but I’m unlikely to be using a CarPro coating to be honest - unless the new one is solid and out in the next 2-3 weeks here in Australia. I could try the equivalent gyeon product which I think is called gyeon primer or something. That’s an option for sure. Any experience with that Vs a stand-alone polish like s30 or perfect finish etc?


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I have used Scholl s30+, s20 black, and s3, they all worked well, although S3 eventually went bad, separated in the bottle, no amount of shaking worked. I've used Menzerna as well, I liked their Power Lock, but I only used it a couple of times. I haven't tried Perfect Finish before.

I've really liked the Carpro stuff I've been using recently, and I liked what I read about Essence, it added an extra level to my line up I didn't have. I liked that I didn't have to wipe down after polishing, at least as long as I did it properly you don't have to.

I get where you're coming from with products going bad. I had some Gyeon Wet Coat go off and leave streaks everywhere, it could have been how I stored it , but I haven't bought it since.

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In terms of cut, how did essence compare to S30? I really liked S30 so thinking about just doing that again maybe. I kinda want to try something new though while I have the chance.

Yeah, hard to use a product or brand again once you have a bad experience.


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There was less cut with Essence, but it is a finishing polish. It has light abrasives that allow it to remove medium - light defects, and it contains a quartz resin that can fill minor marring and leave a protective layer that increases gloss. That's from their write up. The FJs roof definitely came up better than before, but the dark blue metallic on the Qashqai is stunning. That could be down to other factors as well, it was in better condition before, since it is now garaged most of the time, and I really took my time to work it in properly. It was outside for the first 2 years we had it, then we moved to a house with a garage, so it gets to stay inside most days. The FJ is worth more, but its paint is harder and being silver shows less defects. But I'll be trying Essence on it soon, shouldn't be too difficult, lots of big flat panels.
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CarPro CQuartz UK has been my go-to coating for years and I've been using it since 2.0 was on the market. At least a couple family member cars are still wearing an application today. It looks good, performs amazing, and holds up great over time and is reasonably tolerant to neglect.

I recently switched over to Pure EVO and Mohs EVO in order to give them a try. Right now, I think Mohs EVO may be pushing CQUK out of my line-up because it is so easy to apply. On our pearl white SUV it looks amazing and might actually bead/sheet water better than CQUK. Pure EVO looks amazing on my blue car, but it wasn't anywhere as close to Mohs EVO in ease of application.
 
Big Dave said:
There was less cut with Essence, but it is a finishing polish. It has light abrasives that allow it to remove medium - light defects, and it contains a quartz resin that can fill minor marring and leave a protective layer that increases gloss. That's from their write up. The FJs roof definitely came up better than before, but the dark blue metallic on the Qashqai is stunning. That could be down to other factors as well, it was in better condition before, since it is now garaged most of the time, and I really took my time to work it in properly. It was outside for the first 2 years we had it, then we moved to a house with a garage, so it gets to stay inside most days. The FJ is worth more, but its paint is harder and being silver shows less defects. But I'll be trying Essence on it soon, shouldn't be too difficult, lots of big flat panels.
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S30 is also a finishing polish, but it can remove 3000 grit marks but I’ve not seen Essence quoted a number. A garage makes a huge difference. One of our cars i coated with Mohs is now garaged full time and it’s not instantly dirty the moment I wash it and washing it is so much easier.


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Desertnate said:
CarPro CQuartz UK has been my go-to coating for years and I've been using it since 2.0 was on the market. At least a couple family member cars are still wearing an application today. It looks good, performs amazing, and holds up great over time and is reasonably tolerant to neglect.

I recently switched over to Pure EVO and Mohs EVO in order to give them a try. Right now, I think Mohs EVO may be pushing CQUK out of my line-up because it is so easy to apply. On our pearl white SUV it looks amazing and might actually bead/sheet water better than CQUK. Pure EVO looks amazing on my blue car, but it wasn't anywhere as close to Mohs EVO in ease of application.
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That is kinda how I feel as well. I’ve never used 2.0 but I did actually do a couple cars with CarPro Lite and Mohs was even easier than that. Pure was not too bad, but much more tacky than Mohs and Mohs was very easy. It looks and performs great on one our cars 1.5 years later after being neglected for quite some time. The car is also a white SUV, and I’m going to be costing a white hatch with the same color so I know it will be nice on that color.

Sounds like Mohs is still considered one of the better ones since I’ve been out of this space. I’ve seen a few random YT reviews pop up in my feed for coatings I’ve never seen before. What do you use for trim and glass?


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rover137 said:
S30 is also a finishing polish, but it can remove 3000 grit marks but I’ve not seen Essence quoted a number. A garage makes a huge difference. One of our cars i coated with Mohs is now garaged full time and it’s not instantly dirty the moment I wash it and washing it is so much easier.


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You're right, I think I confused it with S3 which is the one I had to throw out after it became permanently separated. It's been a while since I used S30, but I would guess that Essence and S30 are very similar in swirl removal, but the added quartz resin in Essence did make a noticeable difference on the Qashqai, but not quite so noticeable on the white roof of the FJ. You said your incoming hot hatch will be white, so S30 should be fine. White is such a hard colour to show gloss and reflections with, but worth it in my opinion. Here's a pic of my old Berlina after I tidied it up with Dodi Juice Lime Prime, but I can't remember what sealant I used.
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Big Dave said:
You're right, I think I confused it with S3 which is the one I had to throw out after it became permanently separated. It's been a while since I used S30, but I would guess that Essence and S30 are very similar in swirl removal, but the added quartz resin in Essence did make a noticeable difference on the Qashqai, but not quite so noticeable on the white roof of the FJ. You said your incoming hot hatch will be white, so S30 should be fine. White is such a hard colour to show gloss and reflections with, but worth it in my opinion. Here's a pic of my old Berlina after I tidied it up with Dodi Juice Lime Prime, but I can't remember what sealant I used.
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Yeah it’s white and I’ve used S30 on white before and it did well. I guess I was thinking it could be a good chance to try something new, but I should just stick to what I know and not waste more money! I think my S30 is 1.5-2 years old, so it should still be ok.

Berlina looks good! I must say after being out of the space for a bit and mainly being interested in racing cars, I’ve become bit less concerned with how shiny my car is haha part of it has been that I know that I’m getting a new car I guess.


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rover137 said:
What do you use for trim and glass?
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Trim: If the vehicle is new, I'll use coating being applied to the pain and simply hit everything. If the car is older, I'll use McKee's 37 Plastic Trim Restorer. It isn't made anymore, but I still haven't finished off my bottle. I've found it lasts just as long as the Adams trim coating and is easier to apply.

Glass: Nothing. I leave my glass clean and naked.
 
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Trim: If the vehicle is new, I'll use coating being applied to the pain and simply hit everything. If the car is older, I'll use McKee's 37 Plastic Trim Restorer. It isn't made anymore, but I still haven't finished off my bottle. I've found it lasts just as long as the Adams trim coating and is easier to apply.

Glass: Nothing. I leave my glass clean and naked.
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Car will be brand new. I was told Gyeon Mohs won’t work on Trim though. I was thinking of getting their trim product.


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I've used CQUK and Pure EVO on trim of a new car and both have worked great. Not sure why Mohs wouldn't.
 
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I've used CQUK and Pure EVO on trim of a new car and both have worked great. Not sure why Mohs wouldn't.
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Not sure, just what I have been told by Gyeon. I bought the Gyeon trim coating anyway as I probably wouldn’t have enough Mohs for the trim anyway.


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All good, but you'll probably have plenty of Mohs left over. If you're applying it to the car pictured a few posts up I doubt you'll use all of a 30mL bottle.

I coated an Acura MDX with about 25mL, but I bought I 50mL bottle not knowing how far it would go. I was able to coat my BRZ with roughly 15mL of Pure EVO. I'm always looking for stuff to coat with the left overs. I've done daily wheels on my car and will likely do my track wheels soon too. Probably hit the wheels on the Acura too with all I have left over.
 
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All good, but you'll probably have plenty of Mohs left over. If you're applying it to the car pictured a few posts up I doubt you'll use all of a 30mL bottle.

I coated an Acura MDX with about 25mL, but I bought I 50mL bottle not knowing how far it would go. I was able to coat my BRZ with roughly 15mL of Pure EVO. I'm always looking for stuff to coat with the left overs. I've done daily wheels on my car and will likely do my track wheels soon too. Probably hit the wheels on the Acura too with all I have left over.
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Damn, I might have to do 2 coats then? I’ll do the wheels for sure, maybe they can receive the 2 coats. I’m picking the car up tomorrow interstate and driving it home! I’ve then got about 3-4 days off to do the detail.

I asked in another post, but wondering what order you do trim vs paint coating? Might not matter much, but the overlap and pushing products onto each other while wiping annoys me.

I saw that you used Mohs recently. Did you use Cure after? I asked Gyeon and they said no need for Mohs as it isn’t Sio2… which I thought was a bit strange!


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rover137 said:
I asked in another post, but wondering what order you do trim vs paint coating? Might not matter much, but the overlap and pushing products onto each other while wiping annoys me.


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I dunno about everyone else, but I do paint 1st. trim 2nd.

It doesn’t hurt to get paint coating on trim. And coating trim is more of a precision step, but even if you mess up at least the paint has already been protected or at least layed down. That’s the way I look at it.
 
Eldorado2k said:
I dunno about everyone else, but I do paint 1st. trim 2nd.

It doesn’t hurt to get paint coating on trim. And coating trim is more of a precision step, but even if you mess up at least the paint has already been protected or at least layed down. That’s the way I look at it.
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Interesting point. I was thinking trim coating first as I’d prefer to get the paint coating on the trim coating than other way around, but your sequence makes sense too. I was thinking more I didnt want trim coating on a fresh paint coating, but I see what you mean too.


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