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GaulGw
08-09-2011, 08:25 PM
I am fairly new at this but have spent the last few months reading as much as I could find and watching videos on this and other sites. I have 2 cars that I am looking to detail and I would like to get some expert opinions on my plan of attack.

2001 Black Lexus LS430 – Daily Driver
Hood, roof, and trunk just repainted (very poorly) and the other panels are original paint.
Car is currently in a shop for major paint correction on the re-spray and overall detailing. Car should be swirl free when I get it back, but has some areas that might not be fully correctable. I can probably live with that for my daily driver, but I want it to look as good as possible. If it really starts to bother me, I will have to get the whole thing repainted, which is way more money than I want to spend.

Here is my plan for this vehicle to maintain the finish at the high level I expect it to have when I get it back from the shop.

Routine cleaning with Meguiar’s Wash and Wax or Ultima Waterless Wash, depending on how dirty and weather conditions. I have a microfiber covered sponge for the Wash and Wax (two buckets) or microfiber towels for the Waterless wash.

Monthly waxing with Ultimate Wax followed by Ultimate Quick Detailer. The heat and (prior to this year) rain in Houston seems to take away the wax pretty quickly, so I try to wax every month or 2.

Every 6 months, or as needed, clay and polish with Ultimate Polish, followed by Ultimate Wax. (Is this too often for Ultimate Polish? I tend to keep cars a long time and I can see this car getting polished with Ultimate Polish 20+ times at this rate.)



1967 Red Mustang Convertible – Garage Queen
Complete re-spray 20 years ago with single stage paint.

I have been using SwirlX, Deep Crystal Cleaner, or Ultimate Polish followed by Gold Class or NXT wax by hand, and Quick Detailer/Ultimate Quick Detailer up till now. Paint looks really good in the shade, but some swirls and scratches are clearly visible in bright sun. As I learn more and see what can be done with the right tools and products in skilled hands, my standards have gone up and I want to take the paint on this car to the next level.

My 2 choices are to have the paint corrected by a professional or take the same money and invest in a D/A polisher and pads and do it myself.

If I decide to do it myself, I would get the G110v2 with the SoftBuff 2.0 Polishing Pads for the SwirlX and/or Ultimate Polish and Finishing Pads for the Ultimate Wax. I will probably need 7” and 4” pads to get into some of the smaller and concave curved areas. If that is not aggressive enough to get the results I want, I would try Ultimate Compound with the Polishing Pads, followed by Ultimate Polish and then Ultimate Wax.

After the paint is corrected, I would use the same basic steps as on the Lexus to maintain the Mustang, but would probably only do the clay and polish once a year since it rarely gets driven.

Does this sound like the right combination of products, equipment, and process to follow to get good results?

Do I have any combinations that would not work well together?

Any advantages or issues with doing the buffing myself versus hiring someone? I am a little concerned about my ability to handle some of the concave surfaces on the Mustang with the D/A and if I am going to have to do a lot by hand anyway, that could influence my decision on hiring someone. If someone has experience on a 67 Mustang I’d love to know just how hard it will be.

trerc
08-09-2011, 08:58 PM
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shoeless89
08-09-2011, 10:52 PM
I have used all of the Meg's prodructs you mentioned. They work pretty well but IMO there are other products you can use to get better results. I would get a DA, it will save you a lot of time and labor. Trying to remove defects by hand is HARD work, if not nearly impossible on some clear coats. DA's are extreamly easy to use and VERY hard to do any damage to the paint. I would go with a PC 7424XP or G110v2. The G110v2 is just a rebranded PC 7424. I've heard good things about Griots DA also. I wouldn't be to worried about working on your Mustang, a DA should make it fairly easy. I guess it all comes down to how much you enjoy it. If you would rather be doing something else then correcting your paints finish and waxing your car I would pay someone to do it. But if you do enjoy it I would invest in a DA. You can start off with some over the counter products, thats what I did. Then I caught the detailing bug and its been my passion ever since. Autogeek has a great selection of products and how-to videos. And the people on the forum are great!! You can learn almost anything on here. Good luck!

GaulGw
08-10-2011, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I already own all the products I listed, except the Ultimate Compound, and have used them for several years. Maybe once those are gone, I might look at something else, but I have had good results with the Meguiar's products for a few years and I might be reluctant to change a winning combination.

I do enjoy washing and waxing my cars. I find it kind of relaxing, but trying to get the swirls and scratches out by hand has gotten a lot harder as my standards have gone up.

I guess my only big question left is how much of my '67 Mustang can I get with a D/A and how much I will still have to do by hand. The car has a lot of concave and deep areas that I am having a hard time figuring out how to reach with a D/A. If I will still have to do a large percentage by hand, that will make a difference.

shoeless89
08-10-2011, 10:10 PM
Well with my PC I have a 3.5 inch backing plate that came with it that I use to get into smaller areas. The only area I ever really have to do by hand are some of the small painted areas around the doors, under door handles, and the area between the pin striping and bottom of the door window. Even with the contours I don't think you should have a problem using a DA on at least 95%+ of the car. Do you have any pictures of your concern areas? That would help make it easier to make a better judgement

V3AutoDetailing
08-10-2011, 10:38 PM
Not to burst a bubble, But the lexus might be coverd in swirls and holograms. Alot of body shops are not detailers.

On respray, i would wait 30 days to wax. Ask the shop how much clear they put on.

you cant go wrong with Meguiars.

GaulGw
08-11-2011, 09:39 AM
Not to burst a bubble, But the lexus might be coverd in swirls and holograms. Alot of body shops are not detailers.

On respray, i would wait 30 days to wax. Ask the shop how much clear they put on.

you cant go wrong with Meguiars.

I should have been more clear on the Lexus. The paint from the body shop was horrible and the car is now with a detailer (for the second time) to try and level the paint and get out the swirls and scratches. The reason it had to go back a second time is it is my daily driver and I could not leave it in the shop long enough the first time to get everything finished. When I get it back this time it will be about 2 months since the re-spray. I do not know what shop did the respray, but looking at the results I think it was the local Jr High shop class and they used rollers.http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

I will try and get some pictures of the areas of concern on the Mustang tomorrow.

GaulGw
08-12-2011, 11:55 AM
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Rear_Fender1.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Rear_Bumper.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Door1.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Door2.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Front_Fender1.jpg

On the rear fender, the edge flares up and there is not much room between the trunk lid and the edge.

Above the rear bumper, the metal is deeply concave. It did not show up well in the pictures, but you can see it on the indicator bezel shape.

The doors have a small sharp concave area at the very top and then 2 ridges that go down the side and end into the air vents. I am mostly concerned about the small concave area by the window and then the concave area between the upper ridge and the door handle area.
The rear fender has the same concerns as the froont fender.

If I use a standard D/A with 4" pads, do you think I can get intop all these areas? Any special techniques or warnings? Also, how would I do the ridges?

ballfan4141
08-12-2011, 12:26 PM
dont buy any meguires products. they do not peroform well enough. go for poorboys, CG or DP.

bottlefed02
08-12-2011, 01:01 PM
dont buy any meguires products. they do not peroform well enough. go for poorboys, CG or DP.

That is a pretty bold. I have lots of Meguiars products that perform extremely well.

Sent from my Samsung Epic

shoeless89
08-12-2011, 02:09 PM
That is a pretty bold. I have lots of Meguiars products that perform extremely well.

I agree, Meguiars has exceptional products! I don't think you should have a problem with any areas.

GaulGw
12-21-2011, 05:13 PM
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Rear_Fender1.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Rear_Bumper.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Door1.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Door2.jpg http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1230/thumbs/Front_Fender1.jpg

On the rear fender, the edge flares up and there is not much room between the trunk lid and the edge.

Above the rear bumper, the metal is deeply concave. It did not show up well in the pictures, but you can see it on the indicator bezel shape.

The doors have a small sharp concave area at the very top and then 2 ridges that go down the side and end into the air vents. I am mostly concerned about the small concave area by the window and then the concave area between the upper ridge and the door handle area.
The rear fender has the same concerns as the froont fender.

If I use a standard D/A with 4" pads, do you think I can get intop all these areas? Any special techniques or warnings? Also, how would I do the ridges?

Just to follow up, I bought a D/A and 4" pads. I have only done the concave section on the rear fenders so far, but by working from the edges toward the center and slightly tilting the pads to match the curve of the fender in the middle, I got really good results. Hopefully the rest will turn out just as good.

andrew b
12-21-2011, 09:23 PM
Just to follow up, I bought a D/A and 4" pads. I have only done the concave section on the rear fenders so far, but by working from the edges toward the center and slightly tilting the pads to match the curve of the fender in the middle, I got really good results. Hopefully the rest will turn out just as good.

Looks like you've gotten a good start and gotten your feet wet with some good results already.

Just wanted to point you to these videos if you haven't seen them, I know I'm always on the lookout for tips and new techniques.

Download free detailing handbook guides, how-to videos, free wallpapers, and free screensavers! (http://www.autogeek.net/auto-detailing-resource-center.html)

There are also some AG videos in teh DA polishing area.

glen e
12-21-2011, 10:07 PM
meiguars makes great products, you'll get a lot of "ford vs chevy" here on products. I own both the big and small DA's by Griots...the small one is my go to buffer - I love it. Also look into Ultima paint guard plus...just started using it and love the stuff...no buffing and no white powder on jambs, etc when done...

Meticulous-Detail
12-21-2011, 10:27 PM
dont buy any meguires products. they do not peroform well enough. go for poorboys, CG or DP.

If your gonna bash a company , least you can do is spell the name right.