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Ok I have a black Hyundai coupe and its coverd in loads of swirls and scratches here some photos.. I used meguiars ultimate compound and its done nothing I doing all.this by hand tho... And I been told Hyundai did not put a clear coat on the black cars.. Stupid I no any help would be great thanks

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crackster said:
Ok I have a black Hyundai coupe and its coverd in loads of swirls and scratches here some photos.. I used meguiars ultimate compound and its done nothing I doing all.this by hand tho... And I been told Hyundai did not put a clear coat on the black cars.. Stupid I no any help would be great thanks

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If your applicator did not turn black then your car has clearcoat.
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As a newbie, I am not one to be giving advise, but if you want to easily remove those swirls, get yourself a DA polisher, and learn how to use it properly. Like you, I own a black vehicle, and tried correction by hand with no luck. Getting a DA was the best car care investment I've made.....on the other hand choosing black wasn't. Even if/when you get rid of those swirls, you'll be spending a significant amount of time trying to prevent more. In the words of a very wise man "black isn't a color, it's a full time job".

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I would start by saying that m105 is needed here as UC does not have enough cut. A DA is a great tool to use as it is much easier to use than a rotary, and is much safer. I would buy the red pro microfiber cutting pads and the g110v2,both by meguiars. M105 is a great liquid to work with as it is very strong, and can turn the car into great shape
 
Hyundai doesn't have a clear coat?! I have 2012 Elantra Black...is this true?!
 
Orange peel = clear coat, and you used compound I would get m205 which is a aggressive swirl free polish made by meguirs. Make sure you keep your pads clean and have a bottle to spray some water if the polish drys up too fast. (summer heat)
 
I just called my local Hyundai and he said they all have clear coats. Like I said, mines a 2012, maybe your year didnt? :dunno:
 
rddmxmeth10 said:
I just called my local Hyundai and he said they all have clear coats. Like I said, mines a 2012, maybe your year didnt? :dunno:
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In my experience, the absolute worse place to find out info about your car is the dealer. If they don't know, they'll make it up. If your not buying a car, buying parts, or paying for repairs, they are likely telling you whatever they think you want hear.
 
M205 is not aggressive, it's a finishing polish. Are you thinking about M105, which is a aggressive compound, but finishes like a polish?


Drew847 said:
Orange peel = clear coat, and you used compound I would get m205 which is a aggressive swirl free polish made by meguirs.
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swanicyouth said:
In my experience, the absolute worse place to find out info about your car is the dealer. If they don't know, they'll make it up. If your not buying a car, buying parts, or paying for repairs, they are likely telling you whatever they think you want hear.
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Truth.
 
crackster said:
Ok I have a black Hyundai coupe and its coverd in loads of swirls and scratches here some photos.. I used meguiars ultimate compound and its done nothing I doing all.this by hand tho... And I been told Hyundai did not put a clear coat on the black cars.. Stupid I no any help would be great thanks

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Those swirls should be very easy to fix.

Meguiars UC didn't do nothing because your technique is wrong. UC is a VERY good compound (not a polish), but using products by hand require some SERIOUS experience to get good results. Judging by your words and post count, you don't have any, yet.

I'd say invest money on a DA polisher (like Porter Cable 7424xp)
and a DA Micro Fiber kit, like the Meguiars DA system. This will take care is your paint problems without being too complicated. You MUST follow the instructions, no guessing here.

Don't forget to IronX and Clay the paint before you start. These 2 steps are mandatory if you want good results, no way around it.
 
Rsurfer said:
M205 is not aggressive, it's a finishing polish. Are you thinking about M105, which is a aggressive compound, but finishes like a polish?


Drew847 said:
Orange peel = clear coat, and you used compound I would get m205 which is a aggressive swirl free polish made by meguirs.
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yea but those swirls look like left overs from the compound, which 205 should be able to clean up. 205 is like Menzies 83q super intensive 1500 polish than ya I'm thinking 205. Correct me if wrong too many numbers lol
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bmwgalore said:
Those swirls should be very easy to fix.

Meguiars UC didn't do nothing because your technique is wrong. UC is a VERY good compound (not a polish), but using products by hand require some SERIOUS experience to get good results. Judging by your words and post count, you don't have any, yet.

I'd say invest money on a DA polisher (like Porter Cable 7424xp)
and a DA Micro Fiber kit, like the Meguiars DA system. This will take care is your paint problems without being too complicated. You MUST follow the instructions, no guessing here.

Don't forget to IronX and Clay the paint before you start. These 2 steps are mandatory if you want good results, no way around it.
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I've seen some of your posts, and I just wanted to say that I think you may be feeding some unnecessary thoughts into people's heads. 5 years ago, nobody knew what Iron X was, and people were getting great results. And in 5 years from now, some additional "mandatory" product will be out on the shelf. I think we all need to cater our posts to the person asking the question or looking for advice. In the OP's case, I think he could benefit from the basics. While a good clay bar treatment and a machine polish aren't exactly "basic", they would be a nice next step due to his lack of results in attempting to polish out the swirls by hand.

I've personally never used Iron X, and I've had fantastic results in using a clay bar, my PC7424XP, and even something like Meguiar's D151. It can remove fine swirl marks and some scratches based on the pad you use. Start with something non-aggressive when jumping up to a machine. Ultimate Polish and a light cutting pad may do the trick, especially on a newer vehicle. If not, bump up to Ultimate Compound.
 
Hyundai clear is generally hard but best to do a test spot to know for sure when you get a machine. The microfibre system is great for beginners too.

I don't think those swirls in the picture are leftovers from the Ultimate compound since you used it by hand (too uniform). They are the original swirls that were not removed because it takes a long time and ultimately more skill to remove swirls by hand than with a machine.
 
swanicyouth said:
In my experience, the absolute worse place to find out info about your car is the dealer. If they don't know, they'll make it up. If your not buying a car, buying parts, or paying for repairs, they are likely telling you whatever they think you want hear.
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hehe...:iagree:
 
Have you considered the possibility that the paint is soft, and that you're inducing these swirls and towelling marks with your product choice, and manual application???
 
bmwgalore said:
Those swirls should be very easy to fix.

Meguiars UC didn't do nothing because your technique is wrong. UC is a VERY good compound (not a polish), but using products by hand require some SERIOUS experience to get good results. Judging by your words and post count, you don't have any, yet.

I'd say invest money on a DA polisher (like Porter Cable 7424xp)
and a DA Micro Fiber kit, like the Meguiars DA system. This will take care is your paint problems without being too complicated. You MUST follow the instructions, no guessing here.

Don't forget to IronX and Clay the paint before you start. These 2 steps are mandatory if you want good results, no way around it.
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So Should i get this Porter cable. if am a beginner ? has good reviews like.

and i got told in this thread to use M105? should i invest in some of that

Vegas Transplant said:
Have you considered the possibility that the paint is soft, and that you're inducing these swirls and towelling marks with your product choice, and manual application???
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Am not sure am still abit new at this. i was my car 2 bucket method dry it then all i been doing is using meguiars spray on wax then buffing it of all by hand..
 
The other alternative is to pay a mobile detailer a couple of hundred bucks - the price of the machine, pads and polish - have it done right and then practice swirl-free detailing.
 
Re: Swirl help !! You have to make a choice to commit or not.

Honestly, you have to make a choice to commit or not. By that I mean watch all the videos, read the posts, research the products and work on your technique. Or just pay a pro $500 or so every year and be blown away with their skill.

I say this because I am an amateur and I have a black car. I read, researched and listened to all the seasoned pros. I bought a PC Various LCC pads in various sizes and the Wolfgang Trio. Swirl remover, finishing glaze and deep gloss sealant. I also borrowed some high powered lighting to examine the paint.

Then I washed, clayed and removed the swirls. It took me a few hours JUST on my HOOD. The entire process took about 15 hours just on the outside. Personally I was blown away with the results. I even topped off the sealant with Collinite.

Now I am hooked and becoming way to crazy because my black car is my daily driver. A black car gets dirty almost instantly. However, detailing can get very addicting.

The guys on this board are great. But no matter what specific products you get you MUST commit to detailing.

There is certainly a learning curve and these pros deserve a ton of credit because they make it look easy. Ultimately you need to invest a lot of time into this art form.

Once you commit you will be able to get rid of all your swirls by yourself.

Best of luck! CM
 
Re: Swirl help !! You have to make a choice to commit or not.

chris7469 said:
Honestly, you have to make a choice to commit or not. By that I mean watch all the videos, read the posts, research the products and work on your technique. Or just pay a pro $500 or so every year and be blown away with their skill.

I say this because I am an amateur and I have a black car. I read, researched and listened to all the seasoned pros. I bought a PC Various LCC pads in various sizes and the Wolfgang Trio. Swirl remover, finishing glaze and deep gloss sealant. I also borrowed some high powered lighting to examine the paint.

Then I washed, clayed and removed the swirls. It took me a few hours JUST on my HOOD. The entire process took about 15 hours just on the outside. Personally I was blown away with the results. I even topped off the sealant with Collinite.

Now I am hooked and becoming way to crazy because my black car is my daily driver. A black car gets dirty almost instantly. However, detailing can get very addicting.

The guys on this board are great. But no matter what specific products you get you MUST commit to detailing.

There is certainly a learning curve and these pros deserve a ton of credit because they make it look easy. Ultimately you need to invest a lot of time into this art form.

Once you commit you will be able to get rid of all your swirls by yourself.

Best of luck! CM
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:iagree: i loved the wolfgang trio on my black truck..i topped with natty's blue liquid, but also have collonite to try for the winter.
 
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