which smaller pads to go with 5.5" on a PC?

[flyinion]

So right now I'm using the 5" back plate with 5.5" pads on my PC. I'd like to get a second smaller backing plate and pads for the smaller detail areas. I've switched over to using the LC flat pads because they work better with the Wolfgang DAT type products I have (though I might grab some of the Optimum polish/glaze/seal spray product soon).

Problem is first I don't know whether I should do 3" or 4" pads and also the flat pads from LC don't come in either of those sizes. I have to choose either the hydrotech which only have 3 different "cutting powers" or the CCS pads. So, which size would you guys recommend for this. Also which type to complement the flat pads?

[Nick McKees37]

I would recommend a 3.5" LC DA backing plate and 4" LC Hydro-Tech pads.

3.5" Dual Action Flexible Backing Plate (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-43085da.html)

Lake Country Hydro-Tech 4 x 1.25 Inch Foam Pads (http://www.autogeek.net/hydro-tech-4inch-pads.html)

Cyan (cutting), Tangerine (polishing) and Crimson (finishing) are the only three foam pads you'll ever need. The Hydro-Tech pads are more versatile than conventional open-cell pads (flat and CCS).

For isolated scratches and for buffing headlights, check out the 4" Foamed Wool pad.

Foamed Wool 4 x 1 inch Buffing & Polishing Pad (http://www.autogeek.net/foam-wool-polish-pad.html)

Technically you can go all the way down to a 3" backing plate and a 3" or 3.5" pad on the 7424xp, but I wouldn't recommend going any smaller than the aforementioned backing plate/pads because the machine won't be as easy to control. For polishing really tight spots, you can't beat the Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher.

Griots Garage 3 Inch Orbital Polisher Kit (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-3inch-orbital-machine.html)

[flyinion]

I would recommend a 3.5" LC DA backing plate and 4" LC Hydro-Tech pads.

3.5" Dual Action Flexible Backing Plate (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-43085da.html)

Lake Country Hydro-Tech 4 x 1.25 Inch Foam Pads (http://www.autogeek.net/hydro-tech-4inch-pads.html)

Cyan (cutting), Tangerine (polishing) and Crimson (finishing) are the only three foam pads you'll ever need. The Hydro-Tech pads are more versatile than conventional open-cell pads (flat and CCS).

For isolated scratches and for buffing headlights, check out the 4" Foamed Wool pad.

Foamed Wool 4 x 1 inch Buffing & Polishing Pad (http://www.autogeek.net/foam-wool-polish-pad.html)

Technically you can go all the way down to a 3" backing plate and a 3" or 3.5" pad on the 7424xp, but I wouldn't recommend going any smaller than the aforementioned backing plate/pads because the machine won't be as easy to control. For polishing really tight spots, you can't beat the Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher.

Griots Garage 3 Inch Orbital Polisher Kit (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-3inch-orbital-machine.html)


Thanks Nick. Do you think it's worth it to go to hydrotechs for my 5.5" size as well? If so, how well do they work with both SMAT and DAT products? I guess it just seems "weird" to me to go to a line where there's only 3 "cuts" vs. the others with much finer control via more selection. I know I've read about a lot of people using the HT pads though.

[Nick McKees37]

Thanks Nick. Do you think it's worth it to go to hydrotechs for my 5.5" size as well? If so, how well do they work with both SMAT and DAT products? I guess it just seems "weird" to me to go to a line where there's only 3 "cuts" vs. the others with much finer control via more selection. I know I've read about a lot of people using the HT pads though.

Absolutely. I'm a huge fan of Hydro-Tech pads simply because they cut more and finish nicer than conventional open-cell pads. The only drawback is that they don't last as long.

[bmwgalore]

Lake Country does make 4" in FLAT version, I have some whites:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/500/medium/photo26.JPG

But yeah, get the Hydro-Tech model, far superior than the flats.

But I prefer the Optimum MF for the cutting process, much faster with better results. As for Polishing and Jeweling, stick to Hydro-Techs..

[bmwgalore]

Thanks Nick. Do you think it's worth it to go to hydrotechs for my 5.5" size as well? If so, how well do they work with both SMAT and DAT products? I guess it just seems "weird" to me to go to a line where there's only 3 "cuts" vs. the others with much finer control via more selection. I know I've read about a lot of people using the HT pads though.

The HT has only 1 cutting pad because you can adjust the cutting level with a more aggressive compound, or less aggressive if that's the case.
Also, they don't soak up the compound as much as the Flat/CCS does, so you let the Compound AND the pad do the work.

[Nick McKees37]

A couple examples of what Hydro-Tech pads are capable of...

Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0 - Permanent Paint Protection Made Easy (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/43359-optimum-opti-coat-2-0-permanent-paint-protection-made-easy.html)

....I tackled the scratches on the rear quarter panel with my trusty Porter Cable 7424xp equipped with a 4" Hydro-Tech Cyan cutting pad and a little bit of Meguiar's 105 Ultra Cut Compound.



http://www.autogeekonline.net/nick/Opti-Coat%20Makeover/Meguiars%20PC.JPG

http://www.autogeekonline.net/nick/Opti-Coat%20Makeover/Scratch1BEFORE-RESIZED.JPG

http://www.autogeekonline.net/nick/Opti-Coat%20Makeover/Scratch1AFTER.JPG



And another...

How To: Maximize Time with a Cleaner Wax/AIO (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/50085-how-maximize-time-cleaner-wax-aio.html)

Today, while Jason was detailing a friend's GMC Canyon, I grabbed a Flex XC3401, slapped on a Lake Country Tangerine Hydro-Tech Polishing pad, and put one of the more popular AIOs, Duragloss 501, to the test to see what it was capable of.



http://www.autogeekonline.net/nick/Duragloss%20Test%20Spot/DSCN2395.JPG

http://www.autogeekonline.net/nick/Duragloss%20Test%20Spot/test-spot-redone.jpg



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[Mike Phillips]

Here's a few resource threads, lots of pictures of pads and backing plates...


3.5" Backing Plates and 4" Spot Repair Pads on DA Polishers (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/wool-foam-buffing-pads/25473-3-5-backing-plates-4-spot-repair-pads-da-polishers.html)

Small Spot Repair Buffing Pads and Backing Plates (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/23495-spot-repair-backing-plates-buffing-pads.html)

Using a 4" Spot Repair Kit to Remove Paint Defects (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/wool-foam-buffing-pads/23727-using-4-spot-repair-kit-remove-paint-defects.html)

Trend: Small buffing pads (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/42947-trend-small-buffing-pads.html)

Trends: Flexible Backing Plates (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/42945-trends-flexible-backing-plates.html)




:)

[tuscarora dave]

Cyclo pads seem to be really over looked here at AG and they have a large selection to choose from. The velcro backing is much sturdier as well. I choose Cyclo over every other pad I've tried.

Cyclo 4 Inch Premium Foam Pads fit on each head of your Cyclo Dual Head Orbital Polisher (http://www.autogeek.net/cyclo-pads.html)

[flyinion]

Thanks guys, I'll keep the Optimum MF pads in mind too. I actually didn't realize it but they have polishing and cutting pads all the way down to 3". I might have to look into that. Like I said I was debating picking up some of the Optimum GPS spray for routine use on one of the vehicles I maintain, though I'm not sure if there would be a big difference between using Optimum's polishing MF pads or the HT polishing pads with that.

[umi000]

Cyclo pads seem to be really over looked here at AG and they have a large selection to choose from. The velcro backing is much sturdier as well. I choose Cyclo over every other pad I've tried.

Cyclo 4 Inch Premium Foam Pads fit on each head of your Cyclo Dual Head Orbital Polisher (http://www.autogeek.net/cyclo-pads.html)

Indeed, and they're cheaper than the other 4" pads too.

[Mike Phillips]

Cyclo pads seem to be really overlooked here at AG and they have a large selection to choose from. The Velcro backing is much sturdier as well. I choose Cyclo over every other pad I've tried.




Man... good point Dave and you're right, I tend to overlook the Cyclo pads all the time.

Since you brought them up, one immediate benefit to them besides the small diameter and variety to choose from, they are also thinner than the 4" CCS and the 4" Hydro-Tech pads and that can be a real plus on both a rotary buffer and a dual action polisher.


Look to see some future detailing projects in the garage using these pads...


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[tuscarora dave]

Cyclo polishers are more popular in the refinishing world than they seem to be on detailing discussion forum (enthusiast) settings, so the pads can sometimes be found locally at certain dealership, car wash or paint shop supply stores if you need them in a hurry for some reason.

I have a few dozen Cyclo pads that I've been using over and over for years. Some are getting a bit tattered and the foam has gotten a bit worn on some of them and while they don't have quite the cutting capability that they once had, (still great for rotary use) the velcro backing is still securely attached to them. Some of the other brands of 4" pads that I have, the foam is still in good shape but the velcro backing has either completely separated or is peeling off the back of the pads rendering them pretty much useless.