instant detailer/spray wax that hides swirls

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I've tried ALOT of instant detailers and spray waxes...none of them hide swirl marks on my black Camaro - except for Meguiars Ultimate Qwik Wax and (to a much lesser extent) Poorboys QD+.

Basically I've lost the battle with swirls and I'm tired of the cycle (polish and it looks great...wash a few times and I see scratches again...polish again...) I just want to wash, use an instant detailer/spray wax, and have the lighter scratches filled in.

Qwik Wax does that - the detailers version called Synthetic Xpress Wax, I swear, doesn't do as good a job. (Local guy doesn't believe they're the same formula...I think they're slightly different.)

Are there any other instant detailers/spray waxes that you've noticed hide light swirls on dark colored paint? Price is no object here.
 
cpa5oh said:
none of them hide swirl marks on my black Camaro - except for Meguiars Ultimate Qwik Wax

Qwik Wax does that
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Since Meg's UQW is available just about everywhere in the World...
and at a reasonable price-point; and, if it's doing the 'trick'...
Why in the world change?

I know I wouldn't.

Just saying.

:)

Bob
 
Have you tried to figure out why those swirls are coming back?
 
is probably time to stop cheating , and learn how to properly wash the car with minimum damage.
after that polish it , have everything removed and be happy :D
 
I've tried alot to keep the swirls from coming back - my car doesn't look like it was run through an automatic car wash, but I get it perfect with polishing and then after a few washes I see new light scratches. I use a Race Glaze wash mitt, two buckets, a foam shooter (not the one that hooks up to a compressor, though,) a grit guard in one bucket and a grit guard that has a wash board up the side of the bucket in the rinse bucket, I do one panel at a time then rinse the mitt, I use expensive microfibers (and lots of them,) nothing touches the ground or it goes into the wash immediately...I'll continue to do all of that, but I ain't buying that anyone could keep this car in just polished condition wash after wash. I wish one of you lived near me I'd have you detail it and wash it every week to see if I'm right :-)
 
If it's a daily driver then I wouldn't worry too much about it being perfect, but that's just me personally. But it is important if that is being used as your business image. Not sure where you fall? Back to the topic on hand, most of the OTC spray waxes contain fillers. How do I know? Read the label, if it says "removes fine scratches or swirls" then it has fillers. Other than Meg's Ultimate Quick Wax, Zymol Spray Glaze fills like crazy but is a pain to use.
 
cpa5oh said:
I've tried alot to keep the swirls from coming back - my car doesn't look like it was run through an automatic car wash, but I get it perfect with polishing and then after a few washes I see new light scratches. I use a Race Glaze wash mitt, two buckets, a foam shooter (not the one that hooks up to a compressor, though,) a grit guard in one bucket and a grit guard that has a wash board up the side of the bucket in the rinse bucket, I do one panel at a time then rinse the mitt, I use expensive microfibers (and lots of them,) nothing touches the ground or it goes into the wash immediately...I'll continue to do all of that, but I ain't buying that anyone could keep this car in just polished condition wash after wash. I wish one of you lived near me I'd have you detail it and wash it every week to see if I'm right :-)
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It might be from drying..do you blow dry or use a drying aid like Hydro?
 
cpa5oh said:
I've tried alot to keep the swirls from coming back - my car doesn't look like it was run through an automatic car wash, but I get it perfect with polishing and then after a few washes I see new light scratches. I use a Race Glaze wash mitt, two buckets, a foam shooter (not the one that hooks up to a compressor, though,) a grit guard in one bucket and a grit guard that has a wash board up the side of the bucket in the rinse bucket, I do one panel at a time then rinse the mitt, I use expensive microfibers (and lots of them,) nothing touches the ground or it goes into the wash immediately...I'll continue to do all of that, but I ain't buying that anyone could keep this car in just polished condition wash after wash. I wish one of you lived near me I'd have you detail it and wash it every week to see if I'm right :-)
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I feel your pain...I have my wash technique to almost what I feel is perfect, and in the right light you can still see fine scratching going on. These are on daily drivers that obviously need to be cleaned more frequently. If you were to ask the average Joe to find the scratches, they'd probably be hard pressed to and think I'm crazy for worrying about such a stupid thing. However, being an "autogeek", I constantly am inspecting my finish in different lighting, and finding a scratch kills a little part of me :p Ive come to the conclusion that no matter what you do, you'll always get fine scratches no matter what, if we didn't none of us would need to polish, but I know where you're coming from.
 
rwright said:
If it's a daily driver then I wouldn't worry too much about it being perfect, but that's just me personally. But it is important if that is being used as your business image. Not sure where you fall? Back to the topic on hand, most of the OTC spray waxes contain fillers. How do I know? Read the label, if it says "removes fine scratches or swirls" then it has fillers. Other than Meg's Ultimate Quick Wax, Zymol Spray Glaze fills like crazy but is a pain to use.
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It's not a daily driver, but it isn't a garage queen. I'm not a professional detailer, just a guy that likes having one of his cars look sharp.

Zymol Spray Glaze...not sure what you mean as far as "pain to use" - if that means it gets all streaky and doesn't come off easy, that probably won't work for me. If a product doesn't come off nice, I struggle with it.
 
Rsurfer said:
It might be from drying..do you blow dry or use a drying aid like Hydro?
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I don't blow dry - tried a leaf blower and it just didn't work. Guess I could spend a couple of hundred on a Metro. I looked up Hydro and it looks interesting...
 
Ryry11 said:
I feel your pain...I have my wash technique to almost what I feel is perfect, and in the right light you can still see fine scratching going on. These are on daily drivers that obviously need to be cleaned more frequently. If you were to ask the average Joe to find the scratches, they'd probably be hard pressed to and think I'm crazy for worrying about such a stupid thing. However, being an "autogeek", I constantly am inspecting my finish in different lighting, and finding a scratch kills a little part of me :p Ive come to the conclusion that no matter what you do, you'll always get fine scratches no matter what, if we didn't none of us would need to polish, but I know where you're coming from.
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Yeah that's the same place I'm coming from. I tried and just don't think it can be done. I'll keep it from looking bad, but in between polishings, something that makes it look nicer is very welcomed.
 
cpa5oh said:
I get it perfect with polishing and then after a few washes I see new light scratches.
Rsurfer said:
It might be from drying..

^^^This is a reality^^^...And:

Remember...Everytime your vehicle's driven, it's being bombarded with wind/air-aided contaminates,
which, while striking/piercing...(LSP-dependent>>>) your vehicle's few-millionths-inch-thick sacrificial barrier...
will create their own sets of blemishes/scratches/swirls that will inevitably show up when you wash the
vehicle with...IMHO...your impeccable car-washing sessions' products/methods.
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cpa5oh said:
I ain't buying that anyone could keep this car in just polished condition wash after wash.

^^^I ain't buying it either!!^^^

Suggestion: Cutting back on the number of times you polish your DD-vehicle each year
will save not only on the thickness of the CC during its expected life-cycle,
but will save you from so much aggrevation during your expected life-cycle as well.
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cpa5oh said:
I wish one of you lived near me I'd have you detail it and wash it every week to see if I'm right
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^^^I don't know where you live^^^...

But I know you're right!

:idea:
-How about polishing it to perfection one more time...
And then apply one of the new 'Coatings'.

Then you won't have to have yourself, or your vehicle...suffer so.

:)

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
^^^I
:idea:
-How about polishing it to perfection one more time...
And then apply one of the new 'Coatings'.

Then you won't have to have yourself, or your vehicle...suffer so.

:)

Bob
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The problem is that they won't stop scratches. They protect and keep the paint cleaner, but wash induced swirls will still happen.
 
I feel your pain. It's good to be able to hide fine swirls in-between polishing seesions.

Why don't you just stick with UQW? What LSP are you currently using? Many waxes/sealants will also hide fine swirls to varying degrees.
 
Rsurfer said:
The problem is that they won't stop scratches. They protect and keep the paint cleaner, but wash induced swirls will still happen.
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^^^I thought that was a given^^^.

-Just as long as the newly acquired scratches/swirls (<<<by however means) remain on/within
a Coating's film-layer, and not through the Coating's film-layer---and thusly being
inflicted/transferred: Upon/into the underlying, vehicle's top-coat paint-film-layer (CC, or not)...

I stand by my below statement...with one caveat, highlighted in Blue:
FUNX725 said:
Then you won't have to have yourself, or your vehicle's top-coat paint-film-layer...suffer so.
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But I thought that to be a given, also.


Bob
 
Cosmin said:
is probably time to stop cheating , and learn how to properly wash the car with minimum damage.
after that polish it , have everything removed and be happy :D
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Not a fair statement. Black+soft paint is nearly impossible to deal with. Filling is a fact of life for many. No need to call someone a cheater for it.
 
yakky said:
Not a fair statement. Black+soft paint is nearly impossible to deal with. Filling is a fact of life for many. No need to call someone a cheater for it.
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Couldn't agree more. If I were any more careful with my rig it would have to be parked in a vacuum wrapped in the worlds finest microfibre.

The bottom line is that soft black paint is IMPOSSIBLE to keep perfect in real world situations unless you dedicate your life to paint maintenance.

I'll never buy a black rig again. It'll be silver or nothing....

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may i know which polish u use?

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Are you sure your actually removing the swirls to begin with? Are you using a polish that fills, glazes, swells paint, or hide swirls? I have a black car and get some isolated slight polishable scratches here and there, but never actually had swirls come back once I initially removed them.

I've noticed this phenomena first hand with Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. The product is a final polish with supposedly no fillers or "glazes". Yet I polished out an isolated scratch only to have it re-appear in a few days.

What polishes are you using? If you think this could be the cause, try Optimum Polishes, as they won't fill swirls.

If not, of be more inclined to use a glaze like Black Hole or Wet Glaze 2.0. WG 2.0 is awesome because it adds a ton of gloss, has no "cleaners", and can be applied ABOVE or BETWEEN LAYERS of your LSP.
 
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