dish soap

There's been some debate as to whether Dawn actually does anything I terms of removing LSPs. I personally think it will remove waxes due to the nature of the chemicals, but sealants and other products are questionable.

When I really want to clean my paint I'll use a paint cleaner (DP's new one relly interests me) followed by a solvent like Prep-All.

yes you can use gain dish soap, Palmolive dish soap basically any dish soap but for me dawn dish soap i feel does the best job.

I use CG wash concentrate 1oz per gallon

KBsRT said:

I use CG wash concentrate 1oz per gallon

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Im firmly of the belief that its almost pointless to use household soap to strip LSP's. Its simple chemistry [that i wont get into] that these products are formulated to fight dish grease NOT road and environmental contaminants.

Unless you us a D-limonene based cleaner such as P21s total care or CG citrus W&G, your 'stripping ' would be severely limited... even then i would still do an IPA wipedown or two ... especially with a sealant!

just my opinion but ive read a lot about it

Use an APC mixed in with Dawn or use Dawn or any dish soap for wash bucket, but when I spray on my APC...you can see the wax/sealant melt off...then wash with suds to get the apc off....rinse....done.

beachkidcb said:

Unless you us a D-limonene based cleaner such as P21s total care or CG citrus W&"G", your 'stripping ' would be severely limited...
even then i would still do an IPA wipedown or two ... especially with a sealant!

just my opinion but ive read a lot about it

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If CG citrus W&G did, in fact, strip away all traces of an existing LSP...
What would be your opinion regarding the aspects of the "G" in CG citrus W&"G"?

Thanks.



Bob

FUNX725 said:

If CG citrus W&G did, in fact, strip away all traces of an existing LSP...
What would be your opinion regarding the aspects of the "G" in CG citrus W&G?

Thanks.



Bob

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I dont use it...for the very fact you provided... gloss means some sort of polymer or lubricating or protective measure of coating....

but its supposed to have d-Limonene in it....thats why i mentioned it....

perhaps i should have stated d-limonene cleaners such as P212 and Citrus W&G have been reported my AGO members to strip LSP...

Leave kitchen products in the kitchen, and use the correct products for the best outcome in car care. Many good cleaning soaps exist, as do paint cleaners and polishes.

It's best to use products specifically formulated for a cars finish. Can you use dish washing soap? Yes, but I wouldn't use it too often.

Mix 1 to 2 ounces to 5 gallons of clean water and wash as usual. Rinse thoroughly, inspect then clay...where you go from here is your next choice...

Christopher.Brown said:

Im firmly of the belief that its almost pointless to use household soap to strip LSP's. Its simple chemistry [that i wont get into] that these products are formulated to fight dish grease NOT road and environmental contaminants.

Unless you us a D-limonene based cleaner such as P21s total care or CG citrus W&G, your 'stripping ' would be severely limited... even then i would still do an IPA wipedown or two ... especially with a sealant!

just my opinion but ive read a lot about it

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ok, well i had 2 coats of blackfire wet diamond and weekly upkeep with polymer spray , did a dawn wash yesterday to help remove the coatings to prep for a friend doing some corrective work for a show tomorrow.



it went from beading awesome, to barely sheeting, pretty sure it stripped it.

TurboToys said:

ok, well i had 2 coats of blackfire wet diamond and weekly upkeep with polymer spray , did a dawn wash yesterday to help remove the coatings to prep for a friend doing some corrective work for a show tomorrow.



it went from beading awesome, to barely sheeting, pretty sure it stripped it.

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Dawn will strip most waxes and sealants, the problem I have found with dawn, is that it can and will dry out plastic and rubber parts. Ie seals and some types of trim parts. I used it for years till I found that this to be true. Bottom line it works, but at what cost?

TurboToys said:

ok, well i had 2 coats of blackfire wet diamond and weekly upkeep with polymer spray , did a dawn wash yesterday to help remove the coatings to prep for a friend doing some corrective work for a show tomorrow.

it went from beading awesome, to barely sheeting, pretty sure it stripped it.

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i dont have time right now... gonna jump back into this car im doing... but later ill track down some of the things ive read.... essentially dawn pretty much temporarily clogs up the lsp but with washing the dawn film can be removed and the lsp comes back to life....

lol i may even test this tomorrow... if i have time

i wanna know definitively now ahahaha

beamerstrumpet said:

Ok, all the acronyms are killing me.
I might as well spray naphtha all over and then wash car.

^^^Betcha that'll do some "stripping"!!^^^

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From my: 'by gone days':



Contained some "genuine: from crude-oil" naptha.




Bob

BobbyG said:

It's best to use products specifically formulated for a cars finish. Can you use dish washing soap? Yes, but I wouldn't use it too often.

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:iagree:
Using dish soap should be just one of the tips.

BTW, think about it. You apply car wax on a dish. Then you need to use the dish for meal. Washing with dish soap is enough? To me, yes... How about you guys?

Tinwhiskers said:

I personally think it will remove waxes due to the nature of the chemicals

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It won't. If it does, your wax is not worth what you paid.

Christopher.Brown said:

Im firmly of the belief that its almost pointless to use household soap to strip LSP's. Its simple chemistry [that i wont get into] that these products are formulated to fight dish grease NOT road and environmental contaminants.

Unless you us a D-limonene based cleaner such as P21s total care or CG citrus W&G, your 'stripping ' would be severely limited... even then i would still do an IPA wipedown or two ... especially with a sealant!

just my opinion but ive read a lot about it

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Dish soap will clean but it is not strong enough to remove the LSP. It is fine for removing road soils, but waxes and sealants are super heavy duty hydrocarbons/silicones and thus dish soap hasn't a chance.

D-limonene is a possibility but far from the only suitable solvent (IPA is far from as effective as myth would tell you). I believe a thread elsewhere has showed CG Citrus W&G does not contain any d-limonene - 'citrus' is a marketing term which describes the fragrance. In any case, be aware that many products which contain d-limonene will have it present at less than a few percent and this simply isn't adequate for any decent LSP to be stripped.

07gtcs said:

Use an APC mixed in with Dawn or use Dawn or any dish soap for wash bucket, but when I spray on my APC...you can see the wax/sealant melt off...then wash with suds to get the apc off....rinse....done.

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As per my previous thread on this matter - it doesn't work. If your LSP disappears this easily, it is rubbish. I think most people who believe that this method works reliably are doing nothing more than coating their LSP with a layer of surfactant which hides the underlying character. Check my previous thread, I have proved the principle.

jjj said:

Dawn will strip most waxes and sealants, the problem I have found with dawn, is that it can and will dry out plastic and rubber parts. Ie seals and some types of trim parts. I used it for years till I found that this to be true. Bottom line it works, but at what cost?

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Nonsense and nonsense. It will leave surfactant residues everywhere. It will not dry out rubbers and similar any worse than other detergent products (and notably less so than many automotive products which have strong solvents and are highly alkaline - neither of which applies to dish soap). More over, it will not dissolve metal due to high salt content. Trust me when I tell you that many bulk auto shampoos are literally the same as dish soap.

Check previous thread with my proof of principle with surfactant leaving residues which would make you 'believe' an LSP has been stripped.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/66896-lsp-stripping.html

Originally posted by PiPuk
Nonsense and nonsense. It will leave surfactant residues everywhere. It will not dry out rubbers and similar any worse than other detergent products (and notably less so than many automotive products which have strong solvents and are highly alkaline - neither of which applies to dish soap). More over, it will not dissolve metal due to high salt content. Trust me when I tell you that many bulk auto shampoos are literally the same as dish soap.

Check previous thread with my proof of principle with surfactant leaving residues which would make you 'believe' an LSP has been stripped.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/66896-lsp-stripping.html[/QUOTE]


@ piPUK
My biggest concern with dawn was the problems it can have on other parts of the car. A ingredient in dawn is protease. Protease is a corrosive digestive enzyme found in the pancreas. This same enzyme (along with a few more) is found in bird bombs, which we all know can have a negative effect on paint. All I'm saying is I am not gonna use it.