Sonax Perfect Finish & Nano Polish vs. Menzerna line ??

[mdgrwl]

Where do these Sonax products stack up against the Menzerna line in terms of cut and finish?

Also, these are DAT correct?

From my research, it seems this is somewhat the observation:


Sonax Perfect Finish - Cut similar to PF2500 but finishes as good (or better) then SF4000
Sonax Nano Polish - Cut similar to FF3000 but finishes as good as SF4500

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[porta]

Perfect finish = PF2400/PO203S
Nano Polish = SF4000/PO106FA

[JHL88]

Perfect finish = PF2400/PO203S
Nano Polish = SF4000/PO106FA

PF2500 :xyxthumbs:

[mdgrwl]

I thought the Sonax offered a wider range of cut and finish...

[porta]

PF2500 :xyxthumbs:

No. PF2400.

[Radarryan]

PF2500 :xyxthumbs:


No. PF2400.

Depending on where in the world you are, there are different cut and different designations for each of their compounds and polishes. In fact, it is really something to look at their complete line and see just all that they offer.

Check out their website, and this brochure.

http://www.menzerna.com/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF/Automotivebrochure_E.pdf

[Tato]

What about Perfect Finish comments? I'm to get a sample for testing it and I'm looking forward to get insights here from where to start... how to position it with Menz. products are a great intro. Answers are somewhat confusing...

@porta
Perfect finish = PF2400/PO203S
Nano Polish = SF4000/PO106FA

Are you saying they are equal, same products? Just like? How much likely?
(sorry, just want info, not bore you).


Can someone talk about first OP question (abrasive technology), and give some points how to use this product, and when it's an option instead of Menz. 'similar' product?

Thank you in advance.

[Kitoy22]

Sonax PF is my go to finishing polish right now, before i was using menz PF2500 as my finishing polish and 1 step correction. Here are some of my experiences with using both products, which may vary with other members here.
- Sonax PF has a similar or a slightly better cut than menz PF2500.
- Sonax PF finishes slightly better than menz PF2500, it gives that extra gloss if used with a finishing pad.
- both has long working time.
- menz tends to fill more.
- sonax is more economical, very little product is needed, 2-3 pea size drops is enough. If you use too much product, it will gum up your pad.

to sum it up, both products are good, just inclined to using sonax PF more due to its flexibility, more economical and good finishing ability. Which i think are essential qualities for my business. Hope this helps.

[mdgrwl]

Thanks for the post.

[The Critic]

Sonax PF is a rotary only product. Sonax is launching a new Profiline EX 4/6 product that is suppose to be DA friendly.

There has been some chatter by some very respected industry professionals that Sonax PF has a tendency to fill in the same manner as Ultrafina. That is, the fillers are extremely durable and it can be difficult to confirm that correction has actually taken place.

However, keep in mind that the product was designed to be used as a fine cut finishing polish on a rotary. Using the product outside of its intended use can leave to undesirable consequences.

[Tato]

Are you sure? Really deception felling while reading your comment above, if that's true, I've planned to test it soon, and I use DA (3401).

I was based mainly at AG product description, which, based on your statement, is terribly wrong...

'Sonax Perfect Finish is the quintessential example of a one-step polishing compound. A traditional polishing system requires a second finishing step from a finer polish to maximize gloss and clarity. That’s not the case with Sonax Perfect Finish! Sonax Perfect Finish, when paired with the appropriate foam or microfiber pad on a dual-action or rotary polisher, is capable of impressing even the most discriminating enthusiast with its cutting and finishing abilities, eliminating the need for a multi-step system.

Sonax Perfect Finish, best car polish (http://www.autogeek.net/sonax-perfect-finish.html)


It also has cut 4 on a 6 maximum scale, which is pretty high for finishing polishes rating. I thought Sonax had Nano for that function.

Sonax Perfect Finish is rated at an impressive 4 for cut and an impeccable 6 for finish. Going by Sonax’s scale, a traditional medium-cut polish would rate at around a 2-3 for cut and a 4-5 for finish. Sonax Perfect Finish is proof that you don’t have to sacrifice cut in the name of a perfect finish!

[Kitoy22]

I think that what he was saying is true, sonax perfect finish was primarily developed for a rotary polisher. But it does'nt mean you can't use it with a DA, its just that you will be able to maximize the polish more with a rotary polisher compared to DA polisher. Since it is a DAT you will be able to breakdown the polish with a rotary polisher, and finish may be a little bit better due to consistent rotation of the pad. It just means if you will use a DA, it may just take a little more time to breakdown the polish, this isn't really a problem, its just a minor tweak in your technique if you are used to using a smat polish. But if your using a long throw DA, breaking down the polish will be faster.

[porta]

Depending on where in the world you are, there are different cut and different designations for each of their compounds and polishes. In fact, it is really something to look at their complete line and see just all that they offer.

Thats why I wrote the code PO203S wich is the Power finish you guys in North america used to have. Menzerna USA is now importing PO203 who have less cut but higher gloss then PO203S.

As said by Kito22. Perfect finish have a similar cut or slightly more cut the PF2500, ie something like PF2400 but higher gloss. I can second on this. The gloss is similar to SF4000. But the biggest advantage Sonax have over Menzerna is that it's fast working and their is no need for longer polishing cycles. When using a rotary, I polish no longer then two minutes. Sonax are saying 90 seconds - no longer. The removal is also much better easier then Menzerna, similar or easier then Meguiars #205, wich is dead easy to remove. Then filling? I have not noticed any dreadful and deceiving filling that lasts for months. Use a proper prepp product, alkalie wash, silicone remover and you are a good to go for a coating. Remember that Sonax have using coatings since around 2005 with no bonding issues.

And no, nano polish is not perfect finish with out fillers.


@ Tato I was comparing the equivalent product from Sonax vs Menzerna in terms of cut and gloss. I have not used the nano polish from Sonax so much but I have a updated version (low dust) thats want to be used.

[Tato]

Glad to hear from you, very nice info here.

Thanks for considerations, I've just asked because if you tell me to compare WG Uber Compound to FG400, I would say like you did:

WG Uber Compound = FG400

Not being exactly equal, but have 95% similarities.

When I saw your x = y answer, I thought of something like cited above.

Thanks for clarifying things for me.

Kind Regards.

[The Critic]

Are you sure? Really deception felling while reading your comment above, if that's true, I've planned to test it soon, and I use DA (3401).

I was based mainly at AG product description, which, based on your statement, is terribly wrong...

'Sonax Perfect Finish is the quintessential example of a one-step polishing compound. A traditional polishing system requires a second finishing step from a finer polish to maximize gloss and clarity. That’s not the case with Sonax Perfect Finish! Sonax Perfect Finish, when paired with the appropriate foam or microfiber pad on a dual-action or rotary polisher, is capable of impressing even the most discriminating enthusiast with its cutting and finishing abilities, eliminating the need for a multi-step system.

Sonax Perfect Finish, best car polish (http://www.autogeek.net/sonax-perfect-finish.html)


It also has cut 4 on a 6 maximum scale, which is pretty high for finishing polishes rating. I thought Sonax had Nano for that function.

Sonax Perfect Finish is rated at an impressive 4 for cut and an impeccable 6 for finish. Going by Sonax’s scale, a traditional medium-cut polish would rate at around a 2-3 for cut and a 4-5 for finish. Sonax Perfect Finish is proof that you don’t have to sacrifice cut in the name of a perfect finish!

Sonax PF was originally designed to be used in a body shop environment on a rotary, and is capable of removing 2000-grit sand scratches on fresh paint. Rumor has it that it will soon be the #1 body shop product in Europe. Sonax USA’s website has the most accurate information on the intended use for the product, and I can assure you that it was rotary only – and it even says so on the back label.

For all practical purposes, it’s really a finishing polish for the detailing community. Sure, the amount of correction you get is going to vary by paint hardness, but don’t expect this product to be the magic potion that will replace a lot of your med/heavy polishes.

The belief that you can get a product that can cut like a compound, but finish like 85rd, is really just a pipe dream.

It is true that Sonax PF has a very quick worktime. I think the 90 second figure is about right if you are using it on a rotary or a Flex. On a DA, I would be careful since the product may not fully breakdown.

The problem with using these light to med finishing polishes on heavier defects, is that they may be filling the defects. The residual oils and fillers can sometimes be extremely difficult to remove, and your true result may be masked. Originally, I thought that silicones are the only fillers, but apparently there are other materials that can potentially give a body shop safe product the ability to fill.