Really???

[cardaddy]

Well it'll be for the 2015 mustang. The 2014 Mustang has been out for a while and has a 3.7L V6, 5.0L V8, and 5.7L supercharged V8 as engine choices. (Aren't model years stupid?)

Ford did have a 2.3L turbo mustang before and it was a good motor. But it was not a 350horsepowr engine. We shall see. Personally, I see no need for it. The 3.7 V6 is an awesome platform. Naturally Aspirated, 300 horsepower, and 29mpg highway. If you need it more economical then that, then you are shopping for the wrong car.

There are a few things that don't belong in a muscle car. That includes all wheel drive, small engines, dual clutch automated manuals and turbochargers (superchargers are okay as they preserve the exhaust note and add a satisfying whine). Yes, those are all in many ways better technology. But a pony car is supposed to be a visceral experience. Throaty, torquey, sloppy, raw. These are not nor ever have intended to be ultra fast sports cars. These are drivers cars. It'll be a shame to see Ford and Chevy hack them up with some of the things rumored in the future. I was excited when they brought back the 5.0. Guess we shall see how it turns out!

Yup, 2015 it is. And complete with the rest of the Aston Martin inspired front grill treatment. Different yes, but I sorta' like it. Independent rear suspension I also seriously like. Yet something tells me the interior will still be woefully cheap and less than 'sporty'. :dunno:

I was mistaken on the 2.3 HP as well, it's 310! Then there is a new 3.5 with FOUR HUNDRED horsepower! (Likely not showing up till 2017.) Which actually may be pretty cool as that should help the weight bias F/R and make it handle more like a true sports car.

Then they are saying the current "Trinity" 5.8SC engine will be replaced by that twin turbo I mentioned, the "Voodoo" with somewhere between 5.0 to 5.5 liters and a "flat plane" crank such as Lotus & Ferrari. Makes for a snarling exhaust note but ups unwanted vibration in the offering and rumored to make somewhere between 550 to 600 horsepower. This will happen for sure as the "Trinity" has had reliability issues since long ago. You would think they'd have it ironed out by now, rather than start from scratch with a new platform. Guess we'll see.

What I find strange is that they haven't decided on a replacement yet for the 5.0/302. Trying as they may to use the new platform, "Voodoo" albeit naturally aspirated has been unsuccessful. Well DUH, build a twin turbo motor then take the turbo's away and it doesn't run that well. That means they'll end up with a tweaked version of the current "Coyote".

But the real news;
A joint venture with GM of all people to replace the current 6 speed automatic with a 10 speed!:hotrod2:

Then there is the venerable "Coyote" V8

 

[DetailKitty]

Lol funny thing is my husband's engine is a 2.0L and it's putting out over 400HP at the wheels.

 

[Klasse Act]

Lol funny thing is my husband's engine is a 2.0L and it's putting out over 400HP at the wheels.

Saw a Sky Redline w/ a 6.0L GTO engine at a show in Ringgold GA. Guy said no lights on the dash either and install looks factory too, bet they thought about it at some point, looked way to clean!

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[DetailKitty]

Saw a Sky Redline w/ a 6.0L GTO engine at a show in Ringgold GA. Guy said no lights on the dash either and install looks factory too, bet they thought about it at some point, looked way to clean!

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There are shops out there that do V8 conversions on them. My husband's shop is one of them. The V8 fits in like it was made too... There's a lot of room under those hoods.

Not like under the bonnet of a MINI.... there's barely room to detail anything.

 

[cardaddy]

Saw a Sky Redline w/ a 6.0L GTO engine at a show in Ringgold GA. Guy said no lights on the dash either and install looks factory too, bet they thought about it at some point, looked way to clean!

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Yes they did think about it in the early stages. Government CAFE standards being what they are GM decided to help their fleet average and go with the smaller power plant.

That is exactly why they are going to put the 4-banger in the Mustang. Can you imagine the Mustang faithful EVER flocking to that motor in THIS size body?

Yet the bean counters don't care, just average that fuel economy with the rest of the fleet. That's why over the last 15+ years US manufacturers have gone across the border, (to Mexico and Canada) with certain models. Take the Crown Victoria for instance. They had it classified as "made in Mexico" years ago by having over the minimum amount of parts supplied from 'off shore'. That allowed them to remove it from their US CAFE standards thus raising the mpg ratings across the board.

There are shops out there that do V8 conversions on them. My husband's shop is one of them. The V8 fits in like it was made too... There's a lot of room under those hoods.

Not like under the bonnet of a MINI.... there's barely room to detail anything.

Sounds like your hubby does some kewl stuff there Monica! :dblthumb2:

 

[DetailKitty]

Sounds like your hubby does some kewl stuff there Monica! :dblthumb2:

He didn't do the conversion..... yet
As long as he doesn't care what I do to my car he can do whatever he wants :dblthumb2:

 

[RLucky82]

I read the last few posts, and saw some interesting #s and thought I would ad mine. I have a 2.5 making 400 hp and a 5.0 Coyote making 360 hp. twice the displacement to make less power and worse gas mileage.

 

[Klasse Act]

Cardaddy, you said that the Mustang will not be flocked to with a 4 banger, maybe not, the SVO was a great idea at the wrong time, not to mention the engine still had bugs in it, not the issue now. I've heard the Ecoboost 4 banger is supposed to make 300 hp and the 15' "looks" slimmer, interesting times are coming....new Stang, new Camaro and new Cuda' (maybe)....Hyundai, get in with your V8 into the Genesis coupe'!

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[beamerstrumpet]

I mentioned this before, IF Mustang wants a cool 4 banger, then lets get a revamped MustangII Pony car!

I do think this picture is the best (againLOLOL)

that would be a DD and fuel friendly. (hell the old one was) Definatly have to get rid of the front bumpers, but I always liked these. I could see teh Astin touches on this front,, it would be coolieo!

 

[RLucky82]

I mentioned this before, IF Mustang wants a cool 4 banger, then lets get a revamped MustangII Pony car!

I do think this picture is the best (againLOLOL)

that would be a DD and fuel friendly. (hell the old one was) Definatly have to get rid of the front bumpers, but I always liked these. I could see teh Astin touches on this front,, it would be coolieo!

That one is a 302 V8 btw, I used to drive one of those, 77`MACH 1 with 13" wheels and all!

 

[beamerstrumpet]

Still if they put a good 4 banger in there it would be a cool ride with good MPG.

 

[Chris's FX4]

Still if they put a good 4 banger in there it would be a cool ride with good MPG.

Only reason the 4cyl is going in the new Mustang is because of the CAFE standards. It may only be a little bit more powerful HP wise than the 3.7L V6 but the torque of the Ecoboost, more specifically the torque curve, is where it wins against the V6. The V6 model will become the base model with the 4cyl being a step above it.

 

[StangFan25]

The V6 is a great Mustang... my sister owns a 2012 V6 and still has her first car she ever bought- 1992 Mustang LX 5.0
They are night and day with how they handle, sound, etc. The new Stang she has is a nice ride. It's comfy, handles the turns a little better and still has plenty of giddyup.

I agree. My first car was a '97 Mustang, I've replaced it with a 2011 V6 convertible, night and day difference! Torque, HP, handling, major improvement. Stock HP is 315 but with a few grand in mods, I hold my own with the V8s and still get the better MPGs. One thing about these engines is Ford left some nice head room to squeeze more power. Tunes, Throttle Bodies, gears, CAI, headers, etc. so much can be done to improve stock.

I will say, I hate the direction Mustangs are headed, body looks too much like foreign models :banghead:

 

[BlkHemiLTD]

Well it'll be for the 2015 mustang. The 2014 Mustang has been out for a while and has a 3.7L V6, 5.0L V8, and 5.7L supercharged V8 as engine choices. (Aren't model years stupid?)

Its a 5.8L in the GT500.

Lol funny thing is my husband's engine is a 2.0L and it's putting out over 400HP at the wheels.

With boost...

618HP to the wheels...That was on 5.8lbs of boost on a 5.0 mustang gt... theres still no replacement for displacement as far as easily making power. This is from Hellions turbo kit if anyone was curious.

The new mustang is being aimed not just at mustang enthusiasts anymore but they are reaching out into the "global" market with the new platform. I'll be waiting for the SVT version myself!
:dblthumb2:

 

[BlkHemiLTD]

Wait werent we hating on the Adams guy... hehe I'd rather talk shop anyway!

 

[Romans5.8]

I read the last few posts, and saw some interesting #s and thought I would ad mine. I have a 2.5 making 400 hp and a 5.0 Coyote making 360 hp. twice the displacement to make less power and worse gas mileage.

And how much boost are you running in the 2.5? The 5.0 Coyote? There are advantages to a 4 banger, but you are running a TON of boost to hit those numbers. That also affect reliability. Larger engines can shed heat better and spread the energy out over a larger area and will generally last much longer. There are a lot of engines that produce the horsepower and torque of an 18 wheeler's engine, but not a lot that will go 1 million miles like many of them will.

618HP to the wheels...That was on 5.8lbs of boost on a 5.0 mustang gt... theres still no replacement for displacement as far as easily making power. This is from Hellions turbo kit if anyone was curious.

The new mustang is being aimed not just at mustang enthusiasts anymore but they are reaching out into the "global" market with the new platform. I'll be waiting for the SVT version myself!
:dblthumb2:

Yeah.. 5.8, that's what I meant! Just so used to the old 351 (aka 5.7L) that's been around in a variety of flavors for many years.

There's also the driving aspect. The sound, the feel of driving a big V8, and even the difference in weight. Muscle cars were never about being 'technically best'. There are always cars a little faster, a little lighter, a little better balanced, that'll go a little faster around a track or down the 1/4 mile. But none will put a smile on your face quite as much! We get to 'technical' sometime will silly half-second advantages here and there. It's all about whether or not the car satisfies the driver. Many will be happy with 4 banger Mustang, but I wouldn't. I'd buy the V8 even if it was slower than the 4 banger! For one, I like a little noise out of a car like that. With respect to the 4 cylinder enthusiasts out there; I get it, I respect it, I think it's cool that you can squeeze so much power out of a little engine. But, I HATE the sound. As I said earlier in this thread, I've NEVER heard a decent sounding 4 cylinder engine. V8's though? Ohhhh mama is that a beautiful sound. Silly vain reason? Sure! But it's a silly vain car. Who cares?

Secretly though I hope the 2015 redesign becomes immensely popular and there is a ton of leftover 2014 models. My wife wants a Mustang convertible and in the next year or two we may consider getting one for her. If the 2014 models don't sell we may be able to score a pretty good deal! Personally, I think that V6 Mustang is one of the best deals going. 29mpg on the highway, 315 horsepower, great sounding motor, and for less than the difference between the V6 and the GT you can have GT horsepower (via Procharger brand superchargers!). (That said, if horsepower is the aim I think the GT is a better option. Because down the road it has potential for a LOT of power. That 5.0 has seen 1000hp numbers I'm told. [video=youtube_share;aNtPpqeRNrA"]2011 5.0 Mustang, Over 1000+ HP, Highest Power Mustang - YouTube[/video])

 

[BlkHemiLTD]

Yeah.. 5.8, that's what I meant! Just so used to the old 351 (aka 5.7L) that's been around in a variety of flavors for many years.

There's also the driving aspect. The sound, the feel of driving a big V8, and even the difference in weight. Muscle cars were never about being 'technically best'. There are always cars a little faster, a little lighter, a little better balanced, that'll go a little faster around a track or down the 1/4 mile. But none will put a smile on your face quite as much! We get to 'technical' sometime will silly half-second advantages here and there. It's all about whether or not the car satisfies the driver. Many will be happy with 4 banger Mustang, but I wouldn't. I'd buy the V8 even if it was slower than the 4 banger! For one, I like a little noise out of a car like that. With respect to the 4 cylinder enthusiasts out there; I get it, I respect it, I think it's cool that you can squeeze so much power out of a little engine. But, I HATE the sound. As I said earlier in this thread, I've NEVER heard a decent sounding 4 cylinder engine. V8's though? Ohhhh mama is that a beautiful sound. Silly vain reason? Sure! But it's a silly vain car. Who cares?

I agree I like my muscle cars and V8's thats for sure. I do enjoy boosted small cars though I had a wolfsburg jetta when the 1.8t was still around and I just recently had a 2.0T GTI. Fun cars but I never got the same level of enjoyment, its not the same as a V8 especially a V8 with boost. I have a cousin who LOVES his hondas one of the die hards and he swaps motors and cars like some people do underwear and I respect the level of knowledge he has about them and how good he is at swapping those engines out but he can keep his H for B whatever because to me it will never sound nice....ever. I hope the 15 mustang lives up to the hype and its 50th anniversary badges as well. If not... well then I may look for a used 13 or 14 and slap on that hellion kit !

 

[Klasse Act]

The 351 is a 5.8L, not a 5.7L.

I'm going to wait till the actual "new" Stang comes out but to keep the car alive you've gotta try and make it appeal to more people but its not like the car is losing its identity, the pics I've seen show a lot of "old school" looks still.

I think its great there's 3 levels of perf for the Stang, kinda like the Audi A5 for instance, a decent size coupe with a 4, 6 and 8. I bet the new Stang will go a step beyond the current Stang in refinement, not that I've heard bad things about the current car but just sayin'.

Not sure what's instore for the next Camaro but hopefully it goes to the gym and gets on the Atkins diet. They've got boosted 4's, a new TT V6 and great 8's, both NA's and boosted (old ZR1), one can hope.

Finally not sure what to expect from Chrysler, heard a rumor the Challenger is going away and being replaced with a Cuda'. With the Italian influence there now I expect the car to atleast look good, not sure about engines though....time will tell, good times are still going strong!

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[cardaddy]

He didn't do the conversion..... yet
As long as he doesn't care what I do to my car he can do whatever he wants :dblthumb2:

And therein lies the rub.
Although I gotta' say, the LS in the Solstice/Sky would have made me buy it! rops:

Cardaddy, you said that the Mustang will not be flocked to with a 4 banger, maybe not, the SVO was a great idea at the wrong time, not to mention the engine still had bugs in it, not the issue now. I've heard the Ecoboost 4 banger is supposed to make 300 hp and the 15' "looks" slimmer, interesting times are coming....new Stang, new Camaro and new Cuda' (maybe)....Hyundai, get in with your V8 into the Genesis coupe'!

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I agree, the Yamaha built SVO was an engineering marvel but as you said, still had some bugs. Yep, the little 4 banger/puffer motor is said to push 310HP. That'll have me worried about any long term durability if I'm driving one for sure. Especially as they are MAYBE only shedding 200 pounds.

Check out the new Car & Driver for the 'leaked' photos and specs.
I'd be seriously interested in driving the 3.5 with 400HP, independent rear, and yes, even trying out the TEN SPEED automatic! Wow, it'll change gears every 400 rpm, probably 8 times in a quarter mile!

I mentioned this before, IF Mustang wants a cool 4 banger, then lets get a revamped MustangII Pony car!

I do think this picture is the best (againLOLOL)

that would be a DD and fuel friendly. (hell the old one was) Definatly have to get rid of the front bumpers, but I always liked these. I could see teh Astin touches on this front,, it would be coolieo!

Yeah, that'd be a niiiiccccceeee "Daily Driver", I'd drive that puppy every day at least once, 3 times on Saturday, and twice on Sunday. :dig:

Oh wait, is there a car in that photo? Im the MAN
(Show of hands, who remembers a red, one piece swimsuit on that one?) :righton:

 

[Klasse Act]

I'm pretty sure Yamaha didn't have anything to do with the SVO engine but had everything to do with the SHO engine. I need to check out that magazine for sure, WOW!

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