Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

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You mention "on the road"

Do you think Daily Drivers are more likely, as a percentage, to be professionally detailed than garage kept classics?
 
allenk4 said:
Im the MAN

The Mean is the same as the Average

The Median is the middle of the sequence

In your example, there is NO, Median because you have an even number of items

Changing your variable, by adding another vehicle age

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 16, 34, 70, 71

The Median is 9
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In a case of an even numbered sample/population, the median equals the sum of the two "middle" numbers divided by two. It doesn't just fail to exist in such a case.
 
allenk4 said:
You mention "on the road"

Do you think Daily Drivers are more likely, as a percentage, to be professionally detailed than garage kept classics?
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Not necessarily, but the question of interest here regards coatings. So, in that case, yes, I think daily drivers are much, much, much more likely, as a percentage, to be coated than garage kept classics.
 
tdekany said:
You can do what I do and call him. I had a number of questions, one of them was what you asked, but that was all I was told and what I wrote down above. He had to finish payroll, so I let him do what he needed to do. I will find out, and so can you. There are a few 'reviews" from the testers, I mean it was JUST introduced. My syringes are on their way and I will apply it to one of our cars. Coatings are not different in their reaction to the environment except that they die after 18-24 months. I mean do we really think that CQF will stay on every car for 24 months and disappears the day or week after? They all die gradually, sooner or later, and I believe where the car is and color of the finish will dictate that big time.
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What you're saying and what you said makes sense, in fact you're probably right. I just have this unquenchable desire to be "sure" all the time. I'd like to hear it directly from the Dr.

Sberk- thanks for posting up a review!
 
StuDLei said:
Not necessarily, but the question of interest here regards coatings. So, in that case, yes, I think daily drivers are much, much, much more likely, as a percentage, to be coated than garage kept classics.
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Then there is your answer

Going back to my original point. There are a lot of cars that never were eligible for the lifetime warranty and therefore, I do not think expenditures on warranty claims is why they changed from OC2. I think OPT has backed this up with statements regarding Consumer demand for more gloss, easier application, etc.

OPT has the exact age of every vehicle that had a Pro install and warranty. I doubt they will share, but it would be interesting
 
sberk1012 said:
"on the road" is the terminology used in the article you presented. I was simply quoting that.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20130806/RETAIL/130809922?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
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I agree that RL Polk gets their numbers from vehicle registrations

Whether driven, daily or never, they are all registered

I took your comment to mean Daily Drivers


Again, back to the reason I posted related to warranty eligibility. Lots of cars older than 6 years old. They were never eligible for the Lifetime Warranty on OCP


But, I am much more interested in the 2 micro and "a few drops" claims for OC2

I exchanged a couple of emails with Dr. G, but when I pressed on the 2 micron and "a few drops" claims, I didn't hear back?
 
Can any of the Certified Installers chime in regarding the verbiage of the warranty?

Specifically, how do they determine that the coating has "failed"?
 
allenk4 said:
Then there is your answer

Going back to my original point. There are a lot of cars that never were eligible for the lifetime warranty and therefore, I do not think expenditures on warranty claims is why they changed from OC2. I think OPT has backed this up with statements regarding Consumer demand for more gloss, easier application, etc.

OPT has the exact age of every vehicle that had a Pro install and warranty. I doubt they will share, but it would be interesting
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My answer to what? lol. I answered your question.
 
StuDLei said:
Not necessarily, but the question of interest here regards coatings. So, in that case, yes, I think daily drivers are much, much, much more likely, as a percentage, to be coated than garage kept classics.
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Your answer is in this

if you believe that drivers are more likely than older classics, then that would skew the number down

Again, lots of cars being coated with OCP that were never eligible for the Lifetime Warranty


I hope Gloss-Coat is great

I believe, from a marketing perspective, that they gave away their advantage and now have to compete with a much higher number of products that offer the exact same qualities as GC, but at a lower cost per application
 
WOW!.....such drama being unfolded on here and elsewhere on the intranet!

Who is a "Pro"? The person who has invested time, money, sweat, blood and tears building and perfecting their craft. The person who works long hours to get it there, who takes great pride in what they offer to others. Such as my business partner Ron Harris, who works 6 days a week and then on Sundays will work on ads or videos for our shop. He is a hard working SOB and seeks to always expand his knowledge of his chosen craft.

Who is a non-pro? One who isn't what I just stated above.

As I posted over at Autopia in regards to all this, one opens a business to lose money and in a year or so close their doors right?

Wrong! Well if you're a non-pro yes, but for others, one starts a business to MAKE MONEY. If you pay your taxes, buy materials, tools, marketing, hire employees and want to not only pay yourself something and grow your business then you don't want or shouldn't have hacks coming along claiming to do what you do for half the cost.

So if I have paid my dues and charge $499.00 for product "X" why should some asshat come along and undercut me, claiming to apply product "X" all along while not and charge only $120? That steals money from me, my family and my employees and in general pisses me off.

In regards to "permanent"...let's say you walk in to a car dealer and ask if thepaint job on their new BMW is "permanent"? The sales person will most likely say, "Yes it is". You reply, "That's fantastic, so if I rub this sheet of 600 grit sandpaper across this fender line it won't come off right?"

Suddenly "permanent" is no longer "permanent". "IF" OCP is cared for as in maintained on a regular basis with proper care it is basically permanent. Abrasion is the enemy of both paint and OCP, and any other wax or sealant. Hence the instructions to NOT take your OCP car thru tunnel car washes with abrasive brushes.

The "Pro" detailer or installer will and should educate their clients on how to properly care for their newly coated car. In this they are securing MORE business which leads to profit. How so? Because they encourage their clients to come in and get regular "maintenance" cleaning on their coated cars to ensure its great look and resale value.

When I first introduced OCP to you all years ago I was mocked at by most, others saw a great potential. Opinions are like buttholes though, everyone has one...eh? Well there's more coming...

Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
WOW!.....such drama being unfolded on here and elsewhere on the intranet!

Who is a "Pro"? The person who has invested time, money, sweat, blood and tears building and perfecting their craft. The person who works long hours to get it there, who takes great pride in what they offer to others. Such as my business partner Ron Harris, who works 6 days a week and then on Sundays will work on ads or videos for our shop. He is a hard working SOB and seeks to always expand his knowledge of his chosen craft.

Who is a non-pro? One who isn't what I just stated above.

As I posted over at Autopia in regards to all this, one opens a business to lose money and in a year or so close their doors right?

Wrong! Well if you're a non-pro yes, but for others, one starts a business to MAKE MONEY. If you pay your taxes, buy materials, tools, marketing, hire employees and want to not only pay yourself something and grow your business then you don't want or shouldn't have hacks coming along claiming to do what you do for half the cost.

So if I have paid my dues and charge $499.00 for product "X" why should some asshat come along and undercut me, claiming to apply product "X" all along while not and charge only $120? That steals money from me, my family and my employees and in general pisses me off.

In regards to "permanent"...let's say you walk in to a car dealer and ask if thepaint job on their new BMW is "permanent"? The sales person will most likely say, "Yes it is". You reply, "That's fantastic, so if I rub this sheet of 600 grit sandpaper across this fender line it won't come off right?"

Suddenly "permanent" is no longer "permanent". "IF" OCP is cared for as in maintained on a regular basis with proper care it is basically permanent. Abrasion is the enemy of both paint and OCP, and any other wax or sealant. Hence the instructions to NOT take your OCP car thru tunnel car washes with abrasive brushes.

The "Pro" detailer or installer will and should educate their clients on how to properly care for their newly coated car. In this they are securing MORE business which leads to profit. How so? Because they encourage their clients to come in and get regular "maintenance" cleaning on their coated cars to ensure its great look and resale value.

When I first introduced OCP to you all years ago I was mocked at by most, others saw a great potential. Opinions are like buttholes though, everyone has one...eh? Well there's more coming...

Anthony
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these "asshats" are the same people who start and grow businesses every day. professional tools are available to anyone who wants them for the cost. it's up to the consumer to decide who they want to do the work for them with what tools they have. thats the way this market works.

unfortunately people think that only certain people should get certain tools based on their own criteria. take a look at all these businesses that thrive and do well without needing to advertise any "professional" tools. their work is what stands out, and people see the difference.
 
Can you guys go back to the numbers and medians,

I have a math quiz tomorrow :laughing:

:p
 
TurboToys said:
these "asshats" are the same people who start and grow businesses every day. professional tools are available to anyone who wants them for the cost. it's up to the consumer to decide who they want to do the work for them with what tools they have. thats the way this market works.

unfortunately people think that only certain people should get certain tools based on their own criteria. take a look at all these businesses that thrive and do well without needing to advertise any "professional" tools. their work is what stands out, and people see the difference.
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That then would not make them "asshats".

IF someone wants to start a business correctly then they are not the ones being called an "asshat". Can you understand that?

My description of an "asshat" is some person (lets use detailers here) who reads a few forums, buys a bucket and soap, a vacuum and a hose and goes around calling himself a detailer bad mouthing others, low balling others and in general just being a jerk.

I am not talking about the kid seeking extra money for this or that doing his neighbors and family cars because he is not faking a business.

Then you have a guy or gal who has a desire for this as a career. They study and put in the time, they are legit in the sense they carry insurance and pay taxes. They adhere to the laws of known chemicals, water and so on.

They way the "market" works is by proper adherence to ones local and state laws regarding said business. You can start a lawn business for the summer but you can't go in and grab your local business park without proper insurance and knowledge of lawn and tree care.

As a firearms instructor I couldn't teach without proper training myself. So it goes with all business. People do it with a goal and if that said goal is to be legit then they are not an asshat.

An asshat is a guy who sees a single mom with a dent in her car and tells her for $120 he can make it like new. He drills the dent, uses a slide hammer to knock most of it out then tapes up the rest to make it look smooth. Preps up some bondo and smears it over it. Then rattle cans a color "close" to her silver metallic and then tells her in 3 days go thru carwash and all of this will smooth out like "magic". That guy is an asshat.

I've been doing this for a few years now, I have seen plenty of them.

Anthony
 
Anthony,

Do you think that guy wearing the hat on the wrong part of his body is undercutting you only because he has a syringe of OC 2.0? Or is it because he spent 6 hours on the internet and thinks he's a "detailer"? Or is it the customer's access to the internet that allows him to find these undercutters?

I'm not sure that removing OC 2.0 from the market is going to solve your problem. Is the internet the problem? 25 years ago when you started there was no internet as we know it. It was difficult for someone like me get any real knowledge about detailing or to buy professional products. I would likely still be working from my Meguiar's pamphlet which basically was the blurb from the back of the bottles, and my treasured Mirror Glaze products that I got from a paint shop in the bad part of town.

Today anyone can sit at their computer and have access to the accumulated knowledge of hundreds of detailers, watch instructional videos, as well as buy (most) pro products with the click of a mouse.

I know the exclusive Optimum product/territory was your idea, and I'm not arguing, I'm just asking, if the problem is a larger one than simply access to 2.0, if it is actually the explosion caused by the internet in the last 10 years.

Here we are posting on a forum sponsored by a company that has probably done more to get high quality instruction and products into the hands of detailers than anyone else. People who are newbs can come here and learn/buy enough to be running a side business in 6 months. Customers can come here and decide that detailing isn't such a mystery and that Anthony must be charging too much for it. Maybe you're still going to be seeing undercutters just hawking other coatings.
 
Good point To Many Secrets

I disagree on this one though:

"Here we are posting on a forum sponsored by a company that has probably done more to get high quality instruction and products into the hands of detailers than anyone else."

While I appreciate everything that AGO/PBMG has done; it is respectfully Meguiar's that has done the most to not only get quality materials into the hands of detailers and the body shop industry, they have helped developed the techniques that allow the product to perform at the highest level possible

Meguiar's, in my opinion responsible for developing the products that allow us to get rotary results with a DA. That is the detailing innovation, that opened the floodgates and allowed AGO and similar distributors to flourish
 
Using the argument that Opti 2.0 took money away from a "pro detailer" is just plain ridiculous. That could be said for ANY detail product, most are available to the public. I guess we better outlaw Meguiar's from the local Wal-Mart, since its cutting your bottom dollar. Give me a break!
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Anthony,

Do you think that guy wearing the hat on the wrong part of his body is undercutting you only because he has a syringe of OC 2.0? Or is it because he spent 6 hours on the internet and thinks he's a "detailer"? Or is it the customer's access to the internet that allows him to find these undercutters?

I'm not sure that removing OC 2.0 from the market is going to solve your problem. Is the internet the problem? 25 years ago when you started there was no internet as we know it. It was difficult for someone like me get any real knowledge about detailing or to buy professional products. I would likely still be working from my Meguiar's pamphlet which basically was the blurb from the back of the bottles, and my treasured Mirror Glaze products that I got from a paint shop in the bad part of town.

Today anyone can sit at their computer and have access to the accumulated knowledge of hundreds of detailers, watch instructional videos, as well as buy (most) pro products with the click of a mouse.

I know the exclusive Optimum product/territory was your idea, and I'm not arguing, I'm just asking, if the problem is a larger one than simply access to 2.0, if it is actually the explosion caused by the internet in the last 10 years.

Here we are posting on a forum sponsored by a company that has probably done more to get high quality instruction and products into the hands of detailers than anyone else. People who are newbs can come here and learn/buy enough to be running a side business in 6 months. Customers can come here and decide that detailing isn't such a mystery and that Anthony must be charging too much for it. Maybe you're still going to be seeing undercutters just hawking other coatings.
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Setec, hello and good to chat with ya and I very much appreciate the great questions.

My beef is not with someone looking on these forums and getting info and seeking to start a LEGIT business. Rather it's with someone who hires people under the table, doesn't pay taxes, carries no insurance and in general gives those who are seeking to be legit a bad name. I see it all the time.

There is a great amount of knowledge and wealth on these forums but how many times have you seen on these very forums some "know it all" with no experience come in and challenge those who have been doing it for years with a proven track record? There are always going to be armchair QB's on the internet, heck I can't tell you how many people are "former Navy SEALS or some SOF's operator" on the other forums I read dealing with firearms industry yet many of them hardly know the difference between a 9mm and a .40

If you have no idea what the difference is between a foam polishing pad and a foam cutting pad and how they generate heat and what RPM's is best to operate said pad in then you should not "pretend" you do. Anyone remember the detailer that went to Florida pretending to be a paint correction specialist and jacking up some guys Lambo?? It was all over the forums some time ago.

My biggest irk....is the guy coming to me and telling me how I should do my craft. Then again I am older now and just grumpy! :laughing:
 
MikeC78 said:
Using the argument that Opti 2.0 took money away from a "pro detailer" is just plain ridiculous. That could be said for ANY detail product, most are available to the public. I guess we better outlaw Meguiar's from the local Wal-Mart, since its cutting your bottom dollar. Give me a break!
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You are missing the whole point here.

People are or were applying 2.0 and CALLING IT THE PRO VERSION and then charging a PRO PRICE.....yet they were not getting what they paid for.

Do you understand that part? What is it about that that people are not grasping?

No one is selling Mequiars and making the claim that its Zaino.....or selling Mother's and claiming it's Sonax.....your comparing apples and oranges.

Now you bet yer hide that if Meguiars made a product designed for Pros only and others went around selling something else and claiming it was the Pro Only version they would do something about it.

Anthony
 
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