Just saw my first 2015 Mustang....OH NO!

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Hey Jaxtalonturbo, the 3.9L GTP, did you mean the 3.8L S/C'd GTP, not splitting hairs because there is a 3.9L GM engine that IIRC also made 240 hp N/A and ofcoarse the S/C'd 3.8L that made 205, 225, 240 and 260 hp in various forms.

Without looking up the 0-60 numbers I would find it hard to believe that the GTP would "stomp" the 9-3 turbo in a drag race, might have to look these numbers up, what year GTP and 9-3?

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cardaddy said:
Preaching to the choir here for SURE! :rolleyes:

The real problem is much deeper however than just offering a "turbo" here and there. In an effort to maintain CAFE standards manufacturers are offering smaller and smaller power plants, AND.... in an effort to try and keep the (American) motoring public buying said vehicles they are slapping a turbo on woefully anemic power plants. :rolleyes:

Back when my daughter was in high school she was given an loaner while here GTP was in the shop. That loaner was a SAAB 9.3 that was rated at 255HP (or might have been the one with 280), really didn't matter though. Problem is/was that unless you kept it revved up to redline it darned near couldn't get out of it's own way! Her car was a 3.9L V6 rated at 240HP and it'd stomp the living crap outta' that SLOB... er SAAB.

She got out the owners manual and it had inside, ever so proudly.... "Welcome to European driving!"

She was like: "So in Europe you have cars you HAVE to drive wide open, buy gas by the Liter, and they STILL won't get out of their own way." :laughing:

The underlying part that really gets me though is that you have smaller, under powered, over worked engines trying their very best to propel 3700 pound vehicles, huffing and puffing from the time you crank it up. Or in the case of pickups these days, lugging 4700 pound vehicles down the road knowing all the while that the power plant IS the weakest link in the grand scheme of things.

Imagine towing a 4000 pound travel trailer with the frontal area of an expressway billboard with a 3.7L turbo in your crew cab? :eek:

One of the oldest things known to man when it comes to engines and power (initially coined in drag racing); There is no substitute for cubic inches!:dblthumb2:

Yeah yeah... I know that a lighter, more powerful engine gives you better F/R weight distribution, but we're not talking about race cars here. Buyer in the last decade have been keeping vehicles longer than ever, that's well documented. Perhaps the auto manufacturers have caught on :dunno: and decided they'll start selling vehicles where the engines wear out long before the rust prevention does. Which of course forces you to get rid of that hunk-o-junk just after the 36,000 powertrain warranty expires. :laughing:

I'll take that 5.3L/5.7L 'Merican' V8 any day thank you. :props:
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You should really drive a ecoboost before you judge. All you prejudice fears are addressed.

I have a Ecoboost SuperCrew f150 fx4. I've driven a Explorer EcoBoost and a Focus ST.

#1- Ecoboost does not need the typical high rpm to spool for boost. My truck makes its full 420lb-ft torque at 2500 rpm and holds that through almost 5000 rpm.
http://fishingminnesota.com/forum/f...albums_ecoboost_picture60378_torquecurves.jpg

#2 The ecoboost engine is built for turbo with forged internals to handle the stress of forced induction

#3 With today's technology turbo is less finicky and more reliable. You don't have to let the turbos cool after driving anymore, turbo lag is almost nonexistent (typical driver wouldn't notice), and as stated they are setup so you don't have to spool up. If you drive one from the time you press on the pedal you think your driving a larger engine, except it is much more quiet.

In the case of my truck, I can do anything with it that a 5.3/5.7 v8 can do but better because the torque curve is so long and flat. And when not towing/hauling I can get decent mpg if I control myself from having fun with it. In the f150 it's a Jekll & Hyde engine. It's a 6.0+ V8 when towing (power & mpg) but a 5.0 or smaller v8/v6 when just daily driving (mpg).

So the engines are driving nowhere near redline to produce power, and aren't guzzling gas while doing it...and the engines are not being stressed because they are built for turbo use....not some existing engines with a turbo strapped to it like a high schooler with a home built Honda Civic.
 
Well said Griff, you presented facts and figures that can't b denied:thumbup: All that said though, what your up against here is "Murica" and its way of thinking. The calander hasn't flipped for decades, its where a small V8 is a 350 and power is big blocks. Then there's the sound thing, "nothing sounds like a V8" and a Mustang should always sound good. Well the thing is, if you want that V8 sound, your covered, you want a turbo 4, your covered and if your wife just cares about getting around in a cool car and she doesn't care what's under the hood, the detuned V6 is for you (same applies to guys whom aren't into cars too)

I grew up in the Motor City and have been hearing this for years. When I had my 87' GN I raced 427 Corvettes and BB Mopars on Telegraph, from a roll and at the light, took them out (Derek0609 can testify to this), so my into into turbo power was about 20 years ago...my God, has it been that long already:eek:

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Going by the avatar we've got an EVO X (291 hp) and the upcoming 15 Stang GT (435 hp). If you were to take both cars bone stock and add $2K in mods, sans NO2, my money is on the EVO in a drag race but overall will still go to the EVO IMO.

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Going by the avatar we've got an EVO X (291 hp) and the upcoming 15 Stang GT (435 hp). If you were to take both cars bone stock and add $2K in mods, sans NO2, my money is on the EVO in a drag race but overall will still go to the EVO IMO.

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HP to weight ratio...
 
Cat-back exhaust, SRI and tune for the Stang would eat that $2K up and net what? Same for the EVO? Its all about the launch, just sayin==========

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I haven't taken this car to the strip or modified at all yet part of an agreement with my better half. However when I was younger I did take my 1st gen AWD talon to the track quite a bit and I ran 11.1 @121
 
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I haven't taken this car to the strip or modified at all yet part of an agreement with my better half. However when I was younger I did take my 1st gen AWD talon to the track quite a bit and I ran 11.1 @121
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That's fast but its pretty well modded to do that, more than $2K, LOL!

What's all done to the EVO?

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I will admit I miss the v8 sound in my truck but that's it. It's a beast.

I know the Murica mentality is what Ford is up against. That's why they still offer the v8.

I'm sure the diesel train engineers had the same battles with the steam faithful. Technology is always progressing and engineering will find a better way.

One has to remember that most Mustangs sold will be non-GT models. While the v8 Mustang has always been the enthusiasts favorite, the non-v8 has been the bread and butter for sales. The Mustang and the Camaro are around because they are able to sell so many non-v8 models. Neither would survive on a v8 alone.

The EcoBoost Mustang will be a hot seller. Mark my word. They won't be able to keep them on the lots. All it will take is a test drive. If Ford can keep the "new model bugs" minimized, they will have a rockstar.
 
Klasse Act said:
That's fast but its pretty well modded to do that, more than $2K, LOL!

What's all done to the EVO?

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Read the first part of my previous post Roger and yes the Talon had about 10k into it but I only paid 3k for the car. So 13k for an almost 10 second ride wasn't too shabby when I was a young gun.

The Mustang is a very capable machine and I am sure it will bring a joyous smile to all of its owners faces when they mate their right foot to the floor just as much as any car I have owned. And that my friends is what it is all about. I did not in any sense mean to start a flame war. We are all car lovers here, otherwise we wouldn't be here. We just have different tastes.
 
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HP to weight ratio...
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Amen. The best mod on any car is a diet, not a power adder.

That's what I'm disappointed about the new mustang. It didn't lose mush weight and what weight it lost was negated by the IRS. I actually think I heard its slightly heavier than the outgoing model.
 
Grifffx4 said:
I will admit I miss the v8 sound in my truck but that's it. It's a beast.

I know the Murica mentality is what Ford is up against. That's why they still offer the v8.

I'm sure the diesel train engineers had the same battles with the steam faithful. Technology is always progressing and engineering will find a better way.

One has to remember that most Mustangs sold will be non-GT models. While the v8 Mustang has always been the enthusiasts favorite, the non-v8 has been the bread and butter for sales. The Mustang and the Camaro are around because they are able to sell so many non-v8 models. Neither would survive on a v8 alone.

The EcoBoost Mustang will be a hot seller. Mark my word. They won't be able to keep them on the lots. All it will take is a test drive. If Ford can keep the "new model bugs" minimized, they will have a rockstar.
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I almost bought an ecoboost ford before I bought my car. I would have probably bought it too if there weren't so many blaring QC issues I spotted. Drips of paint in the crevices, hoods that don't line up properly, body panels out of alignment, and water in the headlamps (all on a brand new car?). So in turn I went back to my Japanese built car theme that I have had most of my life.

And no I am not saying all Fords have these blaring issues. I was looking at a first model year Focust ST.
 
Grifffx4 said:
Amen. The best mod on any car is a diet, not a power adder.

That's what I'm disappointed about the new mustang. It didn't lose mush weight and what weight it lost was negated by the IRS. I actually think I heard its slightly heavier than the outgoing model.
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Slightly slower in a straight line stock as well but it brakes better etc.. Like previously stated sure to be a great seller for Ford.
 
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