POLL - What's the number one most important factor when it comes to polishing paint?

What's the number one most important factor when it comes to polishing paint?

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I think it's the abrasives, then pads then paint.
 
StephenK said:
I used 105 cause it is a good quality product that everybody knows but has given alot of people troubles at first. And to be honest you are first person I have seen that has said it worked flawless the very first time you used it. Not doubting you
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I do a lot of research before buying new products. I also start out with reading the directions on the product label. After first trying it how the manufacturer recommends I venture out with my own idea or ideas from the detailing community for how to get even better results.
 
I gotta go with technique.... No matter what you are using, if you don't know how to use it you're beat :dblthumb2:
 
Re: POLL - What's the number one most important factor when it comes to polishing paint

In my opinion, and this is just one man's perspective on this topic, the most important factor out of the 5 options listed when it comes to polishing paint is the abrasive technology.


Technique
Most people say technique is the most important factor but if you're using compounds, polishes or cleaner/waxes that don't use great abrasive technology then all the technique in the world won't change the results.


Paint
Some people say the paint is the most important factor but in the big picture the paint can either be polished or it can't. If it can and the compounds, polishes and/or cleaner/waxes you're using don't use great abrasive technology then your not going to get great results no matter what type of paint your're polishing. If the paint in question is past the point of no return so that nothing can fix it then the question of whether the paint is the most important factor is a moot point.

Tool
Some people say the tool is the most important factor But if you're using compounds, polishes and/or cleaner/waxes that don't use great abrasive technology then your choice of tool won't matter because it's the abrasives that come into contact with the paint first - not the tool.

Pad
Some people say the pad is the most important factor when it comes to polishing paint but if the abrasive technology isn't great or even good then it doesn't matter what type of pad you choose because the abrasives come into contact with the paint surface first... not the pad.


When it comes to polishing paint - the abrasive technology must be able to remove defects without leaving its own defects at the same time.

Now days there are a lot of high quality compounds, polishes and cleaner/waxes on the market so it's easier than ever to correct and polish paint to perfection.

That said, there are still compound, polish and cleaner/wax options on the market that don't use great abrasive technology. These products may have the ability to remove defects but due to whatever they are made from or how they are made, after being worked against the surface they leave behind their own marks or scratch patterns.

This could be micro-marring, DA haze or tick marks if using some type of orbital polisher or deep holograms if using a rotary buffer or even scouring if working by hand.

If you're using products that use sub-standard abrasive technology then all the technique in the world won't change this aspect of the equation - that is technique won't make bad abrasive technology good abrasive technology.

If your using products that don't use great abrasive technology to start with then the paint doesn't matter because the products you're using don't work.

If your products that don't use great abrasive technology then the tool of choice or even working by hand won't matter because your products don't work.

If your using products that don't use great abrasive technology then the pad won't matter because the pad material won't make up for the lack of quality in the abrasive technology.

For the reasons listed above, at least in my opinion and experience, polishing paint starts first with the abrasive technology.

Once you have quality products (compounds, polishes and cleaner/waxes), then all of the othe factors come into play, that is using the right tool with the right technique with the right pad.

Again this is just one guy's opinion you can feel free to disagree and I'm sure some will. But it's the abrasive technology that comes into contact with the paint first and for this reason great abrasive technology trumps all othe factors as the most important factor when it comes to polishing paint.

And here's a tip... when testing products always do your testing on blak paint because black paint shows everything.

If your products of choice can make black paint look great they can make any color look great. If the cannot make black paint look great then they are not going to make any color look great it's just with lighter colors it's more difficult for the human eye to detect defects.

:)
 
I voted for paint!! It is the one thing I cannot control when I buy a car (new or used), or if I was a pro detailer, what paint is on the car when the customer brings it to me... The only way I could know for a fact what paint was on the car, would be to purchase the paint and shoot it myself...

For the other four, if money were no option, I can equip my shop with the best tools, pads, and abrasives... If my wife grabs all of those "bests", do not believe she could polish the paint on our new car better than me, because she has never polished a car... So, #2, would be technique...

The last three in order would be what is closest to the paint: #3 abrasive tech, #4 Pads, and lastly the tool...

But, I'm just an amateur... Can't wait til Mike gives us his answer...

Rogman
 
compounds and polishes have come a long way from the horse and carriage days, wow what does the next advancement in compounds and polishes hold
 
I say paint. Usually this debate doesn't include the object being worked which makes me lean on technique but with a lot of thought on the variables. But considering that paint is being worked on and what this revolves around (particularly how much paint questions), I have to go to paint.
 
As it has been said this all a matter of opinion. I still believe it is the paint. Reason being is in this thread it was said we all need to assume the paint is actually able to be polished. I assumed all of us here are using good abrasive technology to begin with. And what factors do we all take into consideration when determining the less aggressive method thats gonna work as a starting point?
 
Evolution of Automotive Paint and Protectant Technology History of Automotive Coatings  Ever since the first automobiles were made in
This article is more about wax/polish but it does show through out the years as the paint that was used changed what was used and how it was used had to change as well. But I believe it still applies to this topic. From a manufacturer point of view they are all trying to find new ways for their products and tools to work well with the automotive paint. And with new products and tools comes new techniques. Everything on this poll has changed because the paint has changed. None of these choices has caused the paint to change. Therefore my take on it is cause the type of paint being used has changed it has "forced"everything else in this industry to change as well. Which mean all the manufacturer are taking in consideration the paint to produce their products and tools. Which would make the paint the most important factor. Once again just my opinion
 
I voted for tool. To me, polishing means having the necessary tools to start. I know if I was polishing by hand I would not have enjoyed the experience. By having the necessary tools (in this case I'm thinking a polisher), I can define what pads and abrasive technology I need. For anyone starting out, I say the most important factor when it comes to polishing paint is tool.

Once you have the tools, technique is second most important factor. Learn how to use the polisher you have to achieve optimum results.
 
Good catch Stephen!

I still say:
Technique OR more succinctly... KNOWLEDGE (which is what developed Technique) as they are intertwined like DNA. ;)

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silverfox said:
Number one technique. If I had Tiger Woods clubs and he had Walmart clubs, I think he still wins. Nuff said
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Would you use a putter off of the tee and putt with a sand wedge.

Determining what the paint "Needs" determines the Technique, Tool, Pads, etc.


Good conversation Starter!
 
Knowing what the needs are ...doesn't equate to good results. Good technique does.
 
silverfox said:
Knowing what the needs are ...doesn't equate to good results. Good technique does.
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argument can be made that if paint is to point of no return the best technique in the world will not give good results either. And with out quality tools,pads, and product the technique isn't gonna male a difference
 
The thing about technique is if a person is using inferior abrasive technology all the technique in the world won't change the abrasive technology and make it good.

I've been answering questions in the forum world as long and in most cases longer than most. I can't count how many times someone has joined the forum seeking help because they're not getting good results.

What I normally ask them is a series of questions and ar some point as them what they are using and if it's a brand not known for producing great results then the first thing they need to do is change products.

Technique is important but the process starts at the surface and you can't assume every product is as high of quality as you might use. The question isn't about you... it's "generally speaking".

:)
 
I believe it to be paint.After all that`s what you are attempting to polish.Mitigating factors include condition, type, thickness, panel shapes ect. Paint is the canvas. Tools, products, knowledge, allotted time to achieve the end result all play a part for the artist.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it`s still a pig.:buffing:
 
I picked abrasive technology. But for me, technique is a close 2nd after.

The reason why I picked abrasive technology is because I was just comparing the compounds/polishes I used back when I first started detailing with Mike Phillips (when he was still in MOL) in 2004. Back in the day, Meguiar's only offered DAT based products such as M83, M82 and M80. Granted, we only had the original porter cable or G100 back in the day. We could only achieve so much with those product combinations... For sure, we can't remove sanding marks with M83 paired with the porter cable. But when Meguiar's came out with the SMAT products (M105/M205), the user can achieve much stunning results with the same polisher/pads/technique. Heck, some people were using M105 with the PC to remove sanding marks!!! So from this abrasive technology advancement, you can see how one can achieve better results with just a change in compounds/polishes. Not only better results but they save time too.

Now we even have better products to choose from. The Griot's Garage BOSS creams are something to check out!
 
After reading Mike's post I'm going to pull a politician move and flip flop and go with abrasive technology, though I think it was some what of a trick question, you got me Mike :props:
 
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