Interesting thought .... Car Wash Soap

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I was reading an article over on another forum and tend to agree with the posting about a sealant being harder to clean than a wax. Not saying the sealant isnt more durable, just that it needs to be cleaned with a little more rubbing or with a stronger soap. Dirt/dust maybe attracted to Carnauba more, but seems to release it rather quickly when washing.

Now lets take this a step further .... for those of you who seal your car and then top with a wax, what soap are you using and why ?? For instance, if you use Duragloss Sealant and a Souveran topper for gloss/wetness then do you use the Duragloss soap or the Pinnacle soap ?? My thought is to follow the soap best dedicated to the final LSP. After all while Duragloss makes one great soap for sealants, it doesnt work well with all carnaubas and actually seems to remove the wax and thus all the work done to top. Would Pinnacle Wash have been the best choice ??

Thoughts ??? Lets even consider for a moment a quick detailer + type product used weekly after washing. While a sealant would allow for either a sealant based or wax based qd'er+ to be used, should you consider the same when a wax is the LSP ?? (ie. should Aquawax be used over carnauba LSP or should you stick with Souveran Spray Wax as example)
 
Do manufacturers really make soap designed to be used with their LSP?
 
i use only carnuba wax . and after testing many soaps my number favorite is!!!!!!! drum roll!!!!!!!!! pinnicle bodywork shampoo!!!!!!!. but i do use others like optimum/ megs goldclass/ d/p. its what ever im in the mood for. if im sad and need a little more bubbles i go for optimum:Dif im felling playfull i go for pinnicle:D. ok im a nutt job:D
 
I use Poorboy's soap mainly. Is it neutral? I.E., nice for both sealants and wax? I know Poorboy's makes sealant and wax so I'm assuming it's neutral :).
For QD, I actually just use DP four in one mix for QD (just a drying aid). My LSP has always been wax, but I recently used Wolfgang DGPS on one of our vehicles (4 Runner). I also use Citrus wash n gloss, and it says it doesn't strip wax and sealants.
 
As for soap, it depends on how dirty the car is..But the one i use most is the Poorboys SS&S, and i just got the Poorboys SS&W to try out, DG 901 often goes in the foam gun/lance together with either SF or DP extrem..But as said thats depending on dirty or not.

How these are regariding the removal of WAX i dont know, but i often feel that the paint looses some slicknes rather quick on some waxes..But that may be normal?

QDer, Souveran wax with souveran spray wax, DG 111 with the DG aquawax feks, but i have never had any issue with using any QDer over any type of sealant or wax ever, so i cant see a issue with that, or maybe its because i remove the wax when washing and its therfore there are no bonding issues???

Damn killr, you are messing with our heads here

So what soap is the mildes out there???
 
I believe a manufacturer tests and ultimately offers a soap that works best within their line, yes ! As for the mildest soap to date, probably the P21S and I dont like it. I do like Pinnacles on carnaubas as cleans well but doesnt remove the wax, it doesnt seem to work as well on a sealant however.
 
Im not sure they put THEIR wax on a car then wash with their soap and see how much wax was removed. All we can do is speculate.
 
I actually only use Duragloss wash, think its better then SSS. It's very gentle on wax, never saw any harm to the lsp and leaves one hell of a shine after. All I use is Carnauba wax and sometimes AW for lsp. Never had trouble with AW over wax either.
 
I always use warm hyperwash for my cars with sealants and gold class for my carnuba and natrual/synthetic. I can get #26 to bead up for 3-4 months with 3 washes a week. I can get our sealant to bead up for 6 months+. With 3-4 washes a week.

This is what ive noticed from my past 3 years from managing our lot at our dealership.
 
I always top sealants with wax, and soaps I'm using are Pinnacle, Optimum, Poorboy's SS&S, and Duragloss soaps...All seems to work well, I always use QD (FK425) after wash.
 
Currently using TOL bubble bathe and it's very gentle on LSPs. Since I use mainly Carnauba it works fine with out being harsh at all. The more I use it the more I like it, mixing 1 1/2 ounce to 2 gallons to works great.
 
I am using the CG Citrus Wash and am very anal about putting 5 gallons of water with one ounce of the stuff. If you mix it too lightly, you're going to be stripping wax for sure!
 
P1et said:
I am using the CG Citrus Wash and am very anal about putting 5 gallons of water with one ounce of the stuff. If you mix it too lightly, you're going to be stripping wax for sure!
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I've been using this stuff lately too. I usually use about 1.5 oz. in 4 gallons and have not noticed any degradation of my LSP. So, I think you could use more of the soap than you are currently so that you have a more slippery solution.

Anyway, personally I wouldn't necessarilly say that soaps are designed for use with carnauba or sealants (excepts soaps that actually contain carnauba). I would say however that some soaps are more gentle than others and the more gentle soaps are less detrimental to carnauba protection.
 
P1et said:
I am using the CG Citrus Wash and am very anal about putting 5 gallons of water with one ounce of the stuff. If you mix it too lightly, you're going to be stripping wax for sure!
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Im surprised you use that stuff, its a strong soap. I guess if you mix it right it wouldnt hurt. Just seems too strong for me either way. I use it on customer cars that are being detailed in full though. My absolute favorite soap for that.
 
My Friday Musings on: 'strong soap that will not remove LSP's

[Note: IMO]

1. One of an LSP's intended purpose is to act as a sacrificial barrier--keep as much contamination away from the vehicle's paintwork, trim, etc. until the vehicle is washed. (Vehicle washing intervals will vary among individuals and are determinate upon many variables.) At this time, one can determine/opt to apply more LSP or not. These LSPs are constantly bombarded by contamination listed above and gradually erode/dissipate. One can speed up this erosion process by the very acts of and every time we wash, wipe,dry, or even by driving the vehicle.

2. Usually the directions for applying said LSP is: 'thin is in'--the thinner the better. Also, apply with little or no pressure. (probably because the LSP has abrasives in it or the applicator,(no matter how 'soft'),used to apply an LSP can induce marring.) Like it or not!

3. To define car washing,to me, means to clean the car of contaminates: dust, dirt, grease, all matters of road grime and environmental fall-outs, etc. Detergents are the agents in any car washing solutions that do the actual cleaning. Also detergents create the suds for the purpose of facilitating the successful removal of contaminates when used with a flow of water. Also, suds don't bead!

4. Building upon the above premises that:
a.)LSPs are thinly applied sacrificial barriers
b.)Vehicles get dirty and need to be washed
c.)Cleaning agents (detergents) do the cleaning
then:

5. Any car washing solutions that claim they will not remove any LSP, or,if so,they aver that their cleaning solutions will "wash & wax" (can't do both well at the same time), then are responsible for being compromising at best, disingenuous at worst!!

6.Therefore, once again, IMO, use what one feels does the best cleaning-up for all ones intent and purposes. I just keep in mind that washing a car is not the only action that will help deteriorate an LSP.
 
My question is this, how does Duragloss CWC strip wax if it's ph 7 or neutral? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a soap is advertised as ph neutral regardless of brand, then it shouldn't strip wax. I'm very curious.


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rwright said:
My question is this, how does Duragloss CWC strip wax if it's ph 7 or neutral? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a soap is advertised as ph neutral regardless of brand, then it shouldn't strip wax. I'm very curious.


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from what I understand, is that these soaps are only PH Nuetral AFTER they are diluted and mixed with the proper ratio of water.

The actual soap at full concentration in the bottle is NOT PH nuetral. It needs diluting. Thats just one thing to think about. as well as the PH level of your garden hose water. In most cases that's not PH neutral either.

(i may be wrong, but im confident this is the case, if not , please feel free to correct me)

also, any wash media is abrasive, which will and does remove wax when your washing. if there is no abrasion, your not washing anything off. and if its not very abrasive, your rubbing it with your hand , causing abrasion.

Anything further than this would just be theory, or speculation, so i'll end it there. And hopefully someone with chemical knowledge can answer this for sure.

P.S. - an easy solution to all of this would be for more advanced LSP's that are less sensitive to detergents. We are starting to see these LSP's arrive on the market, and imo, within 5 years from now, they will be as user friendly as the nicest carnuba wax's we have available now as far as application and being foolproof. Even for the most hamfisted Human being.
 
---warning original post was from 2007 ---
 
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