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I did one year of coating (Opti Gloss Coat.) Now I'm trying a year of wax. I will see if there is a noticeable difference.


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KirkH said:
I did one year of coating (Opti Gloss Coat.) Now I'm trying a year of wax. I will see if there is a noticeable difference.


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Well the one thing you should notice right away is how much quicker the car gets dusty with wax compared to a coating. Just curious, which wax are you trying out for one year?
 
Ok, I believe (insert your favorite LSP here) is pure placebo. If your paint is polished properly before LSP, I believe it's all about the same. I would love to see an actual side by side comparison of 2 identical cars. I will actually look into this locally and try and do my part.
 
I've used many, many products here since joining AG. Started with BFCS and BFMS, onto DG products, then the Collinite triplets, various other products, spray waxes and even 3 different paint coatings over the past 3 years and without a doubt the paint coating, used on a properly polished paint surface, blows everything out of the water! The finish is "HD like" in its appearance compared to everything else. I mean a good nubs gives off a warm, natural look and some really like that and that's cool. Then you have the "fake" look of sealants and WOWA products like BlackFire crystal seal and I LOVED THAT LOOK!

Know what your looking for and go for it!

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Ok there Handsome Roger. You say fake look of sealants vs warm look of Carnuba..... I say Neh Neh. I bet you can't tell the difference on your car of one vs the other. Not knocking you,( you know I love you).... I couldn't tell the difference. It's all placebo. And quick Detailers......... All the same. Only differences are less static dusting or not.... If this is the goal, ( less dusting) Shine Supply Throttle and Meg's Last Touch are the best I have tried
 
I dunno I was always under the thinking that a wax is good for a car show, or a weekend gtg. But a daily should have a coating or a sealant at the very least, topped with a favorite wax every now and then.
 
Let's get an actual side by side. I'm in South Eastern Wisconsin. I'm willing to host. 2 identical cars. Or 3 if you like. I am in the "there is no visible difference" camp.
 
A better test would be one car, split down the middle with one side wax, one side coating. Different cars have different environments. I may have enough Opti Gloss Coat left to try that.
 
KirkH said:
I'm going with 100% carnauba,
no oils or polymers.
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P21S 100% Carnauba Wax contains
a certain % of aromatic hydrocarbon
solvents (AHS). Wouldn't these AHSs
be "oily and polymeric"?


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
P21S 100% Carnauba Wax contains
a certain % of aromatic hydrocarbon
solvents (AHS). Wouldn't these AHSs
be "oily and polymeric"?


Bob
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OK, so I've read the fine print now. There is an oil component and a dissolving agent in PS21S. My misunderstanding.
 
I love Nuba and always will. It why I own a few.....
 
We've all seen the tests where someone has tapped off a hood into 6-8 sections and applied a different wax or sealant to each section. Then pull the tape off and you can clearly see where the tape lines were and each section is a little bit different. Explain that please.

So how can you all say that the LSP does not make a difference in the appearance. No one is saying that someone is able to determine which wax or sealant is on the car. Or even that they can tell that is a wax or a sealant. That would be ridiculous. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't change the appearance.

Yes the majority of the look comes from the polishing. Stop stating the obvious. But the LSP does affect the appearance.

It has to. The light is travelling through a different medium that is different to the clear coat and the air on each side of it. The angle of refraction and the angle of total reflection changes at each medium to medium boundary.

I use coatings, but I still think that the water spot etching is a serious problem that NO ONE has been able to deal with. Forget about the spot removers. Not practical for a customer to use them.

I just got another complaint from someone, that I had been applying BFWD to his Chrysler Crossfire for several years now, who I switched to a coating Gtechniq C1 & EXO v2 just before the 4th of July that has water spot etching from only rain. I think they are still topical, but I haven't tried to remove them yet. The owner washed the car and they wouldn't come off. He was afraid to apply too much pressure, but said that they didn't budge.
 
Let's be clear. So far I think I'm the only one saying they will look the same. But we all know there are differences, in performance. It is 100% my opinion that 2 identical cars parked next to each other, one coated, one waxed, will look the same. I don't believe you will be able to walk up and see 2 cars, and say, this one looks coated/waxed and see an actual difference. When we all finish a car, we know exactly what we used. But in a real world application, they will look the same
 
Are you telling me that your car doesn't look different after spray sealant during maintenance washes? You can't tell you just wipe on a spray sealant?
 
Well, I'm about to go do a rinse less wash using 3D HD rinseless wash, which I typically use in between regular 2 bucket washes. And after I'm finished, the car will look pretty much the same, weather I use a SiO based QD or not use one. My car is coated and I can't tell the difference. I believe if we are all honest, LSP appearance is all about the same. Don't get me wrong, I would love a diffinitive gloss winner. Maybe one of those fancy gloss meters is the answer.
 
FUNX650 said:
P21S 100% Carnauba Wax contains
a certain % of aromatic hydrocarbon
solvents (AHS). Wouldn't these AHSs
be "oily and polymeric"?


Bob
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Is it even possible to buy 100% carnuba wax? I doubt anyone even sells it that way
 
DBAILEY said:
We've all seen the tests where someone has tapped off a hood into 6-8 sections and applied a different wax or sealant to each section. Then pull the tape off and you can clearly see where the tape lines were and each section is a little bit different. Explain that please.

So how can you all say that the LSP does not make a difference in the appearance. No one is saying that someone is able to determine which wax or sealant is on the car. Or even that they can tell that is a wax or a sealant. That would be ridiculous. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't change the appearance.

Yes the majority of the look comes from the polishing. Stop stating the obvious. But the LSP does affect the appearance.

It has to. The light is travelling through a different medium that is different to the clear coat and the air on each side of it. The angle of refraction and the angle of total reflection changes at each medium to medium boundary.

I use coatings, but I still think that the water spot etching is a serious problem that NO ONE has been able to deal with. Forget about the spot removers. Not practical for a customer to use them.

I just got another complaint from someone, that I had been applying BFWD to his Chrysler Crossfire for several years now, who I switched to a coating Gtechniq C1 & EXO v2 just before the 4th of July that has water spot etching from only rain. I think they are still topical, but I haven't tried to remove them yet. The owner washed the car and they wouldn't come off. He was afraid to apply too much pressure, but said that they didn't budge.
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The best defence for water spotting imo is not leaving them on there long enough to etch. I wash one a week and have no problems. I think a having a layer off something that sheets also helps. Anything fresh will usually do
 
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