Tried the Big Red Sponge today...

Klasse Act said:
But...if you clean a panel properly why would there be dirt, LOL

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In my experience there is. Always a little dirt left somewhere on the no matter how careful you are.
 
I bought some ONR and the BRS last fall and have been using them in addition to a few other rinseless washes (using the GDWM) all winter. My experience with the sponge has been fine. As the Guz mentioned, I store the sponge in a fresh bucket of ONR (256:1) and presoak each panel with ONR in a pump sprayer (128:1) when I use it. I have not had an issue with a lot of dirt on my drying towels. I'll generally use some type of drying aid (QD, spray wax, coating maintenance product) when drying each panel, and usually dry with a Griots PFM or TRC Twistress towels.

In January, I took delivery of a new full-size conversion van. Due to the size of this vehicle, ONR and the BRS is the most efficient way to do a rinseless wash. For my daily driver and the full sized van the BRS works just fine. For my Corvette and show cars, I will stick with the multiple towel Garry Dean method.
 
It’s the way ONR works is that it encapsulates the dirt. Like takes it from the surface and brings it to the top of its ONR wash water solution. The towel to dry it will pick that up but will have the encapsulated cushion between the dirt and the towel and the dirt and the vehicle.

Cars that are filthy will have filthy looking water on the sponge passes with ONR after you do a couple nasty panels. You can make a second pass and it looks somewhat cleaner but you have to remove that with the towel right after the pass. That is how Yvan is teaching it

It does work well. Tons of us have been using it for years and years.

The towel method makes it seem cleaner and work better (and maybe it does) because you are not putting the wash media back in to the bucket and getting dark colored water on your next towel like the sponge can. I think it just might be a visual thing and that the ONR is doing its thing and yes you have some dirty towels to dry with cause you are not rinsing the surface of all the dirt.


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MattPersman said:
The towel method makes it seem cleaner and work better (and maybe it does) because you are not putting the wash media back in to the bucket and getting dark colored water on your next towel like the sponge can.
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So why not just use 2 buckets?
 
Eldorado2k said:
So why not just use 2 buckets?
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Certainly no reason that you can't. From what I've read/watched in the past, if you are using two buckets it is best to have both buckets filled with the ONR + water solution so as not to dilute further the product you are applying to the vehicle. So, a wash bucket with ONR and a rinse bucket with ONR along with grit guards in both is the preferred method when using two buckets.

It took me a little while to get over seeing the dirt suspended in the solution when using just one bucket, but it does in fact work and I've not had any scratching or marring (that I can see anyway...).
 
I've been doing rinseless washes since ONR first came out and tried grout sponges, individual towels etc. For the past few years I've used a self developed hybrid system using a grout sponge and the long nap MF mitts pictured below. I carefully cut out the thread that separates the mitt into two pockets so you have one open pocket that perfectly fits a grout sponge. The mitts are inexpensive ($6) so you can have bunch of them to change out during a rinseless wash, the nap is about 3/8" long so dirt gets buried in the MF and you can throw them all in the washer when your done with your wash. Having the grout sponge in the mitt allows you to control how much solution is applied to the paint depending on how dirty the car is, it's much easier to work with than just a folded towel, allows you to turn the mitt over for a clean side and allows you to rub the mitt over the grit guard easily. Haven't seen any serious marring since I switched to this method.

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Klasse Act said:
Talking about Scott from Dallas Auto Detailing. Why would any of us use an APC prior to a carwash? I've never done it and see NO reason to do so.

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Optimum recommends OPC at 3:1 to pretreat bugs and very dirty areas. Works well.
"Dirty drying towels" is the one that always gets me. Dirty mitts with conventional soap don't seem to bother people but towels mopping up encapsulated and lubricated dirt sure gets attention. The chemistry and process is different than conventional soap.
 
I recently asked Optimum about using PowerClean and they recommended 3:1 for bugs & tar but they also said it would definitely remove the LSP sealant/wax too. That included even higher dilution ratio 5:1.
 
howardm4 said:
I recently asked Optimum about using PowerClean and they recommended 3:1 for bugs & tar but they also said it would definitely remove the LSP sealant/wax too. That included even higher dilution ratio 5:1.
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This is EXACTLY Why it doesn't make sense to pre wash your car with something like this period

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Klasse Act said:
This is EXACTLY Why it doesn't make sense to pre wash your car with something like this period

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Just for perspective, I see my friend once a month and she cuts my hair and I wash her car (uneven exchange if you ask me, but well worth not dealing with the awkward social contract of talking to a damn barber.)

It’s a white fiat, and she’s very rough on it. A couple of times even with wax on it, the road grime is just so built up and stuck on there that washing it with just soap won’t get it all off.

A couple of times I’ve pre treated all the panels with something like megs APC or some other degreasers just to break the film down and let me agitate it off the surface.

I don’t necessarily think of this kind of method as anything other than like.. pre treating a car with tar-x, for example.

I don’t see the need for it on a well maintained car, but in some cases I definitely can see where it might be appropriate.


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On hammered cars I can see the need

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Tempest45 said:
The chemistry and process is different than conventional soap.
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Yes it is, and IMO the conventional car wash soap and process is far safer and superior vs. the rinseless soap and method. Why do I say that? Because if we were to make things equal, meaning we get to wash a full on dirty vehicle and give it a normL pre rinse, then we take a mitt from a bucket full of suds, what’s our normL safe and effective method? Well we can go back and forth and even overlap our stokes over the paint in most cases as long as we’re not heavy handed and not inflict swirls.

On the other hand, if we were to pull a towel, sponge, or even the same kind of mitt we used with the bucket method, how would we go about the agitation? We surely wouldn’t be as liberal with the back & forth stuff and we all know it.. Instead we’d make sure to go in 1 straight line and flip the wash media before attempting to the next swipe on the panel.

I’m not directing this comment towards anyone in particular, but more so the to the people who say that rinseless is safer than conventional car soap.
 
Eldorado2k said:
On the other hand, if we were to pull a towel, sponge, or even the same kind of mitt we used with the bucket method, how would we go about the agitation? We surely wouldn’t be as liberal with the back & forth stuff and we all know it.. Instead we’d make sure to go in 1 straight line and flip the wash media before attempting to the next swipe on the panel.
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Is that how most people do their rinseless washes? I’m not being facetious, I’m genuinely asking.

I saw a video from Garry dean a very long time ago, and ever since that’s how I’ve always done it when I used a towel. I just go back and forth over the surface with the same side of the towel, without ever worrying about rolling or pulling up an edge, and I’ve never encountered any marring.

If the vehicle is excessively dirty, I will flip the towel halfway through a panel that would otherwise just use up one side of my towel, but otherwise.. I’ll do my entire door for example with one side with no worries.

If I was to bother pre rinsing every time I did a RW, I’d not hesitate to make a couple passes over the same area the same way someone doing a traditional wash would.

Not trying to be argumentative, just thinking “out loud” I guess.


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Finick said:
Is that how most people do their rinseless washes? I’m not being facetious, I’m genuinely asking.
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I’d be willing to say it’s pretty rare. I’d say at least 8/10 videos you’ll find on YT you’ll see the person being overly careful, almost robotic when showing their rinseless method [unless of course the demo vehicle is nearly spotless to begin with]

IMO It’s so rare that when I met Darren Priest in person that’s 1 of the things I mentioned to him. I gave him props for that video where he did a rinseless on his own black Mercedes and was probably the 1st person ever to not be overly careful about it.
 
Eldorado2k said:
I’d be willing to say it’s pretty rare. I’d say at least 8/10 videos you’ll find on YT you’ll see the person being overly careful, almost robotic when showing their rinseless method [unless of course the demo vehicle is nearly spotless to begin with]

IMO It’s so rare that when I met Darren Priest in person that’s 1 ofnthe things I mentioned to him. I gave him props for that video where he did a rinseless on his own black Mercedes and was probably the 1st person ever to not be overly careful about it.
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That sounds so very tedious lol, but I guess I get it. The way I’ve done it forever just seems really intuitive, and I do trust the product to work.

On the topic of washing methods, when using a waterless wash do you use the common method I see of slowly rolling the towel? I know you talk about spraying the entire side of a vehicle and quickly wash it, was just wondering your method




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