60 year old single stage -planning

supercharged75

New member
Joined
Sep 29, 2016
Messages
91
Reaction score
0
60 year old single stage -planning




Hey Mike,

I read your single stage on the old Lincoln and noticed it was a few years back and new technology has been introduced since.

I am going to be working on a 57 Ford green and white. I ha e not seen the car yet, only photos and it looks pretty oxidized.

I'm curious about your thoughts on using nanodisk by hand vs a clay bar for the initial decontamination? Second question is has anything else come along besides Meg's #7 to nourish and clean the Paint?

As always, I appreciate all you share with us!

Rich
5e59457bef613c9c315de73e56d75aa4.jpg


59cd01a45b8a0425904379f2953ef489.jpg


9f0a83015ce9f5cd555ba92864844a12.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
Wow!


Now this is one rare opportunity!



Hey Mike,

I read your single stage on the old Lincoln and noticed it was a few years back and new technology has been introduced since.

Sure, LOTS of new technology has been introduced but that doesn't matter, the product I would use was introduced when single stage paint was INVENTED.





I am going to be working on a 57 Ford green and white. I ha e not seen the car yet, only photos and it looks pretty oxidized.

You're wrong, it looks HORRIBLY oxidized. :laughing:



I'm curious about your thoughts on using nanodisk by hand vs a clay bar for the initial decontamination?

I wouldn't do it myself. You're going about this backwards.


The Comet Trick

If you want to wash it, (I normally don't wash classics and introduce water where rust can form), then I would use the old Comet Trick.

That is wash the car THOROUGHLY to first remove loose dirt, and looks like there's plenty of it. Then re-wash the car using a fresh clean wash mitt and a couple of cans of Comet. The Comet will more-or-less gently remove the majority of the oxidation and get you down to a fresh base. Also wash all the glass, chrome and stainless steel with the Comet and remove years of road film, oxidation, tarnish and even light rust.

You could also use Bon-Ami but I would go with Comet, it's a tick more aggressive and this isn't saying much.

Then, afterwards, machine polish with BLACKFIRE One Step and a foam polishing pad on an orbital. AFTER that rub the paint down with the #7 to gorge it with the TS oils in the #7 and then seal with your favorite finishing wax. Then stick a fork in it and call it done and stand back and admire the results.

By the time you do all of the above you won't need the Nanoskin anything or clay.

If you were to try to use a Nanoskin something on it - it would toast the expensive Nanoskin product (for no good reason), and if you try to clay it you'll simply load up your clay with dead paint.


If you're not going to wash it then,

Get some wash cloths and rub the paint down with heavy applications of the #7, especially the first application.

Or waterless wash it and then hit it with BLACKFIRE One Step or 3D Speed, both really good one-step cleaner/waxes.

Have you seen my Chevelle write-up for One Step?


Cool car, which I could restore the paint. You're going to be working on REAL paint, not plastic like new cars have....





Second question is has anything else come along besides Meg's #7 to nourish and clean the Paint?

No nothing. Sheldon from the Big Bang has not invented the Time Machine yet to go back in time and invent something different than the #7 so that this new product could endure since the time single stage paint was invented.


As always, I appreciate all you share with us!

Rich


Always a pleasure to help others with their car detailing projects...

Be sure to get on a ladder and take what I call the High Overhead Hood Shot of the BEFORE condition BEFORE you or ANYONE starts rubbing on the original and ugly before paint.


:)
 
I always try to share this with people that have cool projects like this.... not everyone takes the time to do as I suggest in my article from 2009


The power in the after shots is created in the before shots


Excerpt

Also, after you polish out a neglected car you can ALWAYS get the after shots, just walk out to the garage and take some pictures. But you can NEVER go back in time to take the "before shots.


1960Ranchero01.jpg



1960Ranchero06.jpg





:)
 
Thanks Mike, first time I've heard of the Comet or Bon-Am1 cleanser trick. That Meg's Wash Plus+ with the fine polish in it reminds me of something like Comet or Bon-Ami. Soft Scrub for you car's paint. I've been using to prep cars for about 2 months now and find it a great prep wash.
 
Thanks Mike, first time I've heard of the Comet or Bon-Am1 cleanser trick.

I shared it here probably back in 2009 or so when I described the down and dirty way I removed the oxidation off a 1970's Datsun Honeybee.

It works. It's not the most prestigious way to go about an antique paint restoration but this old Ford is BEAT. So at this point it's really hard to do anything worse to it than has already happened.

The NOT washing with water "professional courtesy" thing I do has more to do with restored cars (where rust has already been removed), not barn finds still filled with cancer.


I'd take Comet and a good wash mitt to the ENTIRE car.

Be very careful around valve stems though, they can be broken off easily and then you have a flat tire to deal with and take all the fun out of the project. Been there, done that...


:)
 
Mike, thanks so much for the advice. The owner rides with a group of rat rods and investors card that are mechanically modified. The car is getting exhaust work done and had to leave state for work but unwell see the car in the next 4 weeks or so.

Initially I was going to go waterless based on other articles you'd written about water and seals, etc. But since it's not restored I think I'll do some research on the comet wash followed by a a o e step. I have HD Speed in my arsenal already. Will the montan wax prevent the #7 from nourishing the paint or should I nourish then hit it with speed?

Thank you again sir.

Rich

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
Finally got the car in my hands, I'll be starting in the morning!!
65a3c781bac5046bfa5136f388c9678f.jpg
e4fa6c49ecb519791b1c2ffa4340b611.jpg
425991db192c96040c3f8d1fbd80b250.jpg
aa651ce8b7d4db2840406d018c48823a.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
Going to pick up a couple cand of comet tonight. As you can see the paint is really dirty, I hope the crud comes out if the paint.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
I can't wait to see how this turns out!!,,bedsides the oxidation that car has A LOT of area to do,,I'd even like to see the after comet pic as it's probably been a good 20 years since I've used it
 
That Comet technique sounds very interesting and I would like to hear more about it. Do you mix Comet in a bucket of water and do a rinseless type wash? How does the Comet get rinsed off of the paint. A customer of mine (I sell him gearmotors) has two 1964 Chrysler Imperials with original paint. One is black and one is red. He told me that a guy up the street can buff out the paint and bring the shine back. The paint is heavily oxidized and it just didn't sound right to me. I mentioned Meguiars No. 7 glaze to restore the oils to the paint. I want to give him good advice so that he will buy more gearmotors.
 
Did the hood and fenders with comet tonight and the stains in the hood aren't budging. The first is after scrubbing and the second is before.
129a369c6085b5fb4bbef5708507febb.jpg
bae6a73cf259aa9a229267c46573f0f3.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
I can't wait to see how this turns out!!,,bedsides the oxidation that car has A LOT of area to do,,I'd even like to see the after comet pic as it's probably been a good 20 years since I've used it
I only have 10 hours with the car so focus is the top of the car, hood and decklid. Top is done so far .
cbbf73477e054e303b5f19547cf1a9d4.jpg
6ad2db6432ecde9b4885c92bd1bfc1be.jpg
5990d4368775d473f3d9c9418369cdb8.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
That Comet technique sounds very interesting and I would like to hear more about it.

Do you mix Comet in a bucket of water and do a rinseless type wash? How does the Comet get rinsed off of the paint.


No. You sprinkle it on HEAVY and the scrub the paint with a cotton terrycloth wash cloth. The rinse and wash with normal soap.

There's some elbow grease involved.


I took pictures of me pouring the Comet onto the paint of the 1965 Cadillac I recently did the Comet Trick to but that memory card is on someone's desk at Griot's Garage in Tacoma, Washington. I left it there by accident while teaching our Roadshow Class in Tacoma, Washington a few weeks ago.

I'll see if Jeff Brown can shake a tree at Griot's and get the card or the picture to me.


Here's the write-up for this project...


1965 Cadillac - Original Single Stage Paint - Slam job by Mike Phillips


SlamJob_001.JPG




ORIGINAL Single Stage Paint

SlamJob_002.JPG




:)
 
Making progress white is done and sealed.

Glaze was fighting me on the top and wasnt getting the results I wanted for the effort so dropped the hd speed and using griots fast correcting creme and topping with an si02 spray sealant.

I think its looking great.

Last picture is part way thru the deck lid. Right side is done.

e9fde62473a2ce0bace290d49b199cfe.jpg


ad49d713c8e63d4fa8695f1d8596e9eb.jpg


e6e2fdb859748ebc2d2d31db6ae82671.jpg


d1f9fa2f326173d99b69d4c1e5b5e9a4.jpg


109e0d7e43d42cd26653c76127794263.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
Awesome project! Looking forward to see how you will get it.

/Tony
 
With the limited budget and time frame I'm pretty happy with the results.

d3c6c6b76c704b89e33e0298f8a377bb.jpg


1149d356c84173c6a5cc8590dd3f2f9b.jpg


dad1bed4e19d90b996da69a774098694.jpg


d9f2667d43387af7bfbc0e908a62429f.jpg


1c1a04aa30069ee26b6b38d8b7398b25.jpg


845485fa34dd8178d2b84465919c85f0.jpg


f893db9556528062ac3c3cdaa76ed25a.jpg


ccd334963e8f03529a2e95df513ec248.jpg


fb148735052bc1854033d8be8e69ad6b.jpg


25f0f037ca6a0c99e24400bb244b74fb.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using TapaTalk
 
Before and after over head shot as suggested by Mike. T

his was a great idea, thank you sir!

6ebaf4ff526b89d73543604e1f5e34b1.jpg


4cee49125403ecc7b32833294e95c1ac.jpg


Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
 
Nice Save!!!!


It's so much more fun to work on real paint versus plastic paint. Old single stage is the real deal. Modern paint is closer to plastic than it is to the paint on this car.


Excellent work my friend!


:dblthumb2: :dblthumb2: :dblthumb2:
 
Great save!

Mike. How is it to use different degreasers and iron remover on old single stage paint?

Is there any tar degreaser based on a chemical that is single stage paint safe?

Often there is old tree sap and oils embedded in those paints. And would be nice to have a tar remover that does solves the tree sap and oils a little before starting to polishing it. I think also that a cleaner wax/AIO has chemicals that is based on petroleum solvent that is in some tar removers. And think that HD Speed has some in it. If those is not safe in a tar remover. Is the HD Speed safe on single stage paint then? Or is even a non abrasive paint cleaner an option to start with? Followed by claying and then polishing. Or do you have an other option than the Comet trick to do. To get as much of the old dirt and contaminants off before you clay and polish.

The iron removers are they safe on single stage paint? For an example Carpro IronX.

Sorry for hijack your thread a little. But think it would be great to get a paint you have worked on here a little more cleaner. Since the compound and polish did not cleaned it up on the hood. Maybe the paint is stained so bad that you can't save it.

/Tony
 
Back
Top