Blackfire Pro Ceramic Coating, "Black Edition".

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Hi all,

I'm not too sure if I like this coating. Just completed the first wash and duh....

As I washed the car, I could see the water spots and lots of dirt etching already! But when it dries---the spots and etchings disappear.

Not sure if it is my imagination or what, it looks like the Black Edition is a few notches down on the glassy look than the 2 year coating.

It also attracts dirt easily and doesn't self clean as well either.

I seems that the original Blackfire Pro Ceramic coating looks and works better than this Black Edition.

Are you finding this to be about right or am I nuts?

Tom
 
Is this on a personal car or customer's car? How has it been maintained prior to this wash?
 
The Guz said:
Is this on a personal car or customer's car? How has it been maintained prior to this wash?
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My car....

Done the 2 year coating and now the 5 year coating.

Wasn't washed for about 3 weeks....

Tom
 
Just thinking out loud here...

Maybe I did not get enough of a cut during polishing phase to remove underlying water spots and etchings.

But this probably bugs me more than anything....dirt, pollen and light film sticks to car and the rain doesn't even remove it. No shedding effects.

Tom
 
TMQ said:
Wasn't washed for about 3 weeks....
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This probably doesn't help. The spots and etchings could be caused from the dirt reacting with any water (dew, rain) from sitting on the surface for weeks without a wash.

TMQ said:
Just thinking out loud here...

Maybe I did not get enough of a cut during polishing phase to remove underlying water spots and etchings.

But this probably bugs me more than anything....dirt, pollen and light film sticks to car and the rain doesn't even remove it. No shedding effects.

Tom
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I went through your thread and saw that you used Blackfire primer which has no abrasives. So any cut was coming from the pad. So you are right they could have still been there. Could be the coating just needs a strong wash to restore its performance after having dirt sitting on it for weeks.
 
The Guz said:
This probably doesn't help. The spots and etchings could be caused from the dirt reacting with any water (dew, rain) from sitting on the surface for weeks without a wash.



I went through your thread and saw that you used Blackfire primer which has no abrasives. So any cut was coming from the pad. So you are right they could have still been there. Could be the coating just needs a strong wash to restore its performance after having dirt sitting on it for weeks.
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Thanks Guz....

Tom
 
Tom, I applied two coats of this coating to a customers car and during his maintence washes he tops with the Hybrid Solutions 3 in 1 Ceramic Detailer as a waterless wash.

He was disappointed with the lack of water beading that the coating provides, but I did let him know that it is a water sheeting coating.

He let me know that it did have a good sheeting effect.

The attached picture is after one night of rain. Only a few days after the coating was applied.

I used Sonax Perfect finish to polish the car and panel wiped it twice before application.

I applied two coats of the coating.

My customer said he had to pressure wash it twice and even after that there were still water spots and contaminants on the car which were removed with the waterless wash process.

Here's a video of the properties of the coating topped with the Hybrid Solutions 3 in one Ceramic Detailer when he came back for a maintence wash.

AutoClean - Look at how the water beads up and just falls... | Facebook

I was thinking I'd apply the BF Black Edition to my Jeep and observe it further with no toppers before I apply it to any more of my customers cars.

I feel like we are seeing the properties of the Ceramic 3 in 1 Detailer in the video.

Also my we have very acidic bird droppings around here and there was already a spot where he says he removed the bird dropping promptly but it still etched into the coating and possibly the paint.

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Thanks for posting...

I just washed my car today!!! That is after a couple of days!!! Dirt cling on, nothing coming off and after 2 washes---fine scratches are showing up.

I am not feeling this product at all. Something isn't right.

Stopping all Blackfire coatings for customers at this point.

Looking into coatings as of this writing.

Tom
 
TMQ said:
Thanks for posting...

I just washed my car today!!! That is after a couple of days!!! Dirt cling on, nothing coming off and after 2 washes---fine scratches are showing up.

I am not feeling this product at all. Something isn't right.

Stopping all Blackfire coatings for customers at this point.

Looking into coatings as of this writing.

Tom
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Let me know what you find.

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TMQ said:
Thanks for posting...

I just washed my car today!!! That is after a couple of days!!! Dirt cling on, nothing coming off and after 2 washes---fine scratches are showing up.

I am not feeling this product at all. Something isn't right.

Stopping all Blackfire coatings for customers at this point.

Looking into coatings as of this writing.

Tom
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Sorry to hear you are having a hard time with this coating. Had to go back and read through your original thread and I pointed out that the Blackfire primer is not abrasive. So is it possible that the defects were not removed and likely filled and they are now starting to show.

The other thing is that it is a Lexus which has soft paint. A coating on soft paint helps but it will still scratch/marr. I am a believer that the coating takes on the characteristic of the paint hardness/softness. Still a good option for soft paints.
 
The Guz said:
Sorry to hear you are having a hard time with this coating. Had to go back and read through your original thread and I pointed out that the Blackfire primer is not abrasive. So is it possible that the defects were not removed and likely filled and they are now starting to show.

The other thing is that it is a Lexus which has soft paint. A coating on soft paint helps but it will still scratch/marr. I am a believer that the coating takes on the characteristic of the paint hardness/softness. Still a good option for soft paints.
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Agree re scratches on Lexus.

Everything is fine re ceramic. The issue is, it is not self cleaning and water run off is tick slow.

Rather than having a dirty, clean car, I'm having a dirty, dirty car just like all the regular cars on road.

Had much greater results with the 2 year ceramic. With this one--scratches a tad more but dirt doesn't stick as easily.

Tom
 
Jacob Harrod AUTOCLEAN said:
I feel like we are seeing the properties of the Ceramic 3 in 1 Detailer in the video.
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I always understood that your "paint" will take on the characteristics of whatever is on the very top.

Tom, sorry you're having this experience, which seems different from mine. I'll have to do some checking for sure.

Luckily, I happen to have BF Pro Coating AND BF Black Edition on the same panel. ANNNND. It's quite dirty. Haven't washed it in a while.

Once the wife takes off with the kid for some shopping, I'll flip the car around, spray it down and record the action.
 
Hummmm. I was actually considering this for when my new truck arrives.

Think I’ll just stick to one of the Nubas I have.

I’m very sorry you are having issues. Especially after all that work snd time involved. I’ll be back to this thread for updates.
 
I wouldn't let this experience keep you away from coatings. Not all are created equal.

From my experience CQuartz UK has fantastic sheeting and beading; the best I've ever tried. Keeping my car clean while wearing that coating was very easy. If you want to try something a little less intense, CanCoat is another really good option.
 
Desertnate said:
I wouldn't let this experience keep you away from coatings. Not all are created equal.

From My experience CQuartz UK has fantastic sheeting and beading; the best I've ever tried. Keeping my car clean while wearing that coating was very easy. If you want to try something a little less intense, CanCoat is another really good option.
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I second this. Kamikaze Zipang is also nothing short of amazing.

Black Nissan is a customer's car, Trans Am is personal car. Both in Cquartz Uk 3.0

I dry with water.


 
Dr Oldz said:
Hummmm. I was actually considering this for when my new truck arrives.

Think I’ll just stick to one of the Nubas I have.

I’m very sorry you are having issues. Especially after all that work snd time involved. I’ll be back to this thread for updates.
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Dr Olds,

Don't let this stop you---Ceramic IS different!

I like ceramic. Getting some Graphene this time around and will use on a C8 Corvette coming in a week or so.

I have an opened bottle and it's enough to do 3 more cars. Fresh bottle too.

Give me your address and I'll send it to you. Try it on just one door and see what you think.

Tom
 
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