IT'S OBVIOUS FLEX DOESN'T WANT YOU TO USE ROTARY???

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I very rarely need to use my rotary. And even recently the BEAST out performed my LH19E by a long shot! But whenever I have used my 2" mini I only use it in rotary and it makes quick work on everything I've used it for. So I just received my new PXE yesterday and was really disappointed A: no 2"inch backing plate and B: It's obvious it wasn't intended to be used in rotary on anything other than a 1". So I ended up spending another $150 on the APS 2" and COATIC 3" along with the QD extension and rotary bit.
I know everyone who owns the PXE knows why. I'm hoping to save going through all the old threads and just ask?
 
That's funny. I use a flex rotary everyday that I work.

I'm also going to with APS Accessories! not 2 or 3 inch by flex though. They have it so it only works on the 1" I'm sure you know what I was referring to when I started this thread. I just was hoping to hear why they did that?
 
I'm also going to with APS Accessories! not 2 or 3 inch by flex though. They have it so it only works on the 1" I'm sure you know what I was referring to when I started this thread. I just was hoping to hear why they did that?

Actually I didnt. I'm not big on all of the abbreviations. What is a APS?

I HIGHLY recommend that you don't polish with a rotary using a 1" pad.
 
Nice 2” plate from Carzilla.

Before anyone made a 2”, I purchased a 3” Flex plate. With the Pixie on high, used a Stanley Surform to “turn” it down to 2”.
 
Nice 2” plate from Carzilla.

Before anyone made a 2”, I purchased a 3” Flex plate. With the Pixie on high, used a Stanley Surform to “turn” it down to 2”.

Your a vampire like me. Glad someone's up:)
It's the name of the brand.(APS) And you just might like getting an extension and the backing plates.
Brand: Flex Power Tools | CARZILLA
I'm curious why you don't use rotary in 1" when it's really the only one the want you to?
FLEX PXE80 review: how to get the most from your machine - YouTube
Might as well be the price as the iBird after getting all of the accessories.

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I'm curious why you don't use rotary in 1" when it's really the only one the want you to?



The 1" pad will spin many more times per minute then a larger pad (spinning creates heat). Combine that with the circular rotation (rotary) and that is a recipe for disaster (heat burns paint/heat also corrects defects).
If you use the 1" pad don't hold the machine in the same spot for more then a few seconds. Touch the panel occasionally and see how hot it is before proceeding.

Someone else can probably explain this better.
 
Actually it’s the opposite regarding pad speed and diameter - the outer edge of a smaller pad on a rotary is spinning slower than a larger diameter pad with the machine on the same speed setting.

Had to do some googling to find a better explanation than I could do:
https://www.#############.org/guides/calculate-rpm-changing-pads/amp/

(Edit: not sure why it’s getting edited out - the hashtag’d out site is “detailing wi ki” with no space between)

Flash:Just trying to understand your position- are you saying less pad makes for less heat dissipation?

Edit 2: Side note: can totally see keeping tabs on surface temp when doing small rotary work as you’re likely working on sensitive surfaces like bumper covers, mirrors, and pillar trims where you don’t want to cause the paint to lift/burn.
 
Actually it’s the opposite regarding pad speed and diameter - the outer edge of a smaller pad on a rotary is spinning slower than a larger diameter pad with the machine on the same speed setting.

Had to do some googling to find a better explanation than I could do:
https://www.#############.org/guides/calculate-rpm-changing-pads/amp/

(Edit: not sure why it’s getting edited out - the hashtag’d out site is “detailing wi ki” with no space between)

Flash:Just trying to understand your position- are you saying less pad makes for less heat dissipation?

Edit 2: Side note: can totally see keeping tabs on surface temp when doing small rotary work as you’re likely working on sensitive surfaces like bumper covers, mirrors, and pillar trims where you don’t want to cause the paint to lift/burn.

I'm not a rocket surgeon, but it would appear to me that the more an object spins the hotter it will get. I could definitely be wrong about this. Can we test on the hood of your car??
 
I'm not a rocket surgeon, but it would appear to me that the more an object spins the hotter it will get. I could definitely be wrong about this. Can we test on the hood of your car??

Your speed setting on the tool dictates the RPM, so at the same speed setting your pads (big or small) are turning the same RPM. The difference is the outer edge of the larger pad pad is covering more distance per revolution, thus traveling at a higher speed. Higher speed, more friction, more heat.
 
Your speed setting on the tool dictates the RPM, so at the same speed setting your pads (big or small) are turning the same RPM. The difference is the outer edge of the larger pad pad is covering more distance per revolution, thus traveling at a higher speed. Higher speed, more friction, more heat.

Very good. Thanks for the explanation
 
The 1" pad will spin many more times per minute then a larger pad (spinning creates heat). Combine that with the circular rotation (rotary) and that is a recipe for disaster (heat burns paint/heat also corrects defects).
If you use the 1" pad don't hold the machine in the same spot for more then a few seconds. Touch the panel occasionally and see how hot it is before proceeding.

Someone else can probably explain this better.

Actually it’s the opposite regarding pad speed and diameter - the outer edge of a smaller pad on a rotary is spinning slower than a larger diameter pad with the machine on the same speed setting.

Had to do some googling to find a better explanation than I could do:
https://www.#############.org/guides/calculate-rpm-changing-pads/amp/

(Edit: not sure why it’s getting edited out - the hashtag’d out site is “detailing wi ki” with no space between)

Flash:Just trying to understand your position- are you saying less pad makes for less heat dissipation?

Edit 2: Side note: can totally see keeping tabs on surface temp when doing small rotary work as you’re likely working on sensitive surfaces like bumper covers, mirrors, and pillar trims where you don’t want to cause the paint to lift/burn.

I agree with oneheadlite... A smaller pad is moving at a slower speed than a larger pad at the same RPM. Regardless of pad size, RPM is RPM. The difference in speed is a result of the circumference of the pad.

Example:
- A 1" pad is traveling at 3.14 inches per revolution at its outer edge
- A 2" pad is traveling at 6.28...
- A 3" pad is traveling at 9.42...
- And so on.

From this example, you can see that in a single revolution a 3" pad is moving across the surface at a speed 3x greater than the 1" pad at their respective outer edges.

So, it's not the speed that creates the concerning heat when using a small pad...

It is rather whatever pressure is applied.

Example:
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 1" pad you end up with a force of 6.4 PSI at the surface
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 3" pad you end up with a force of 0.7 PSI at the surface

This is because a 3" pad has nearly 10x the area of a 1" pad (1" circle has an area of 0.78 in sq / 3" circle has an area
of 7.06 in sq)

In conclusion, it's not the speed you need to be concerned with when using a smaller pad. It is rather the pressure you apply. The smaller the pad, the less pressure you should apply to the polisher because the resulting force at the surface becomes exponentially higher as the pad size decreases. Additionally, you can actually up the RPMs of the polisher as the pad speed is actually quite low with small diameter pads.

EDIT: You guys already figured it out on the speed while I was doing my calculations and writing this post. But I believe my pressure description is still applicable.
 
View attachment 76093View attachment 76094Great input everyone! But still no one has answered why Flex doesn’t want you to use the rotary adapter on 2 or 3 inch???
Only one inch has the hole to let the adapter screw down to the backing plate. If you own one you know exactly what I’m referring to. But for people that are wondering what the hell im referring to. Just looks at the rotary bit out of the three orbit combinations it comes with. The rotary has a pin directly in the middle which makes it so the 2 and 3 inch backing plates will not mate!!!
 
I agree with oneheadlite... A smaller pad is moving at a slower speed than a larger pad at the same RPM. Regardless of pad size, RPM is RPM. The difference in speed is a result of the circumference of the pad.

Example:
- A 1" pad is traveling at 3.14 inches per revolution at its outer edge
- A 2" pad is traveling at 6.28...
- A 3" pad is traveling at 9.42...
- And so on.

From this example, you can see that in a single revolution a 3" pad is moving across the surface at a speed 3x greater than the 1" pad at their respective outer edges.

So, it's not the speed that creates the concerning heat when using a small pad...

It is rather whatever pressure is applied.

Example:
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 1" pad you end up with a force of 6.4 PSI at the surface
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 3" pad you end up with a force of 0.7 PSI at the surface

This is because a 3" pad has nearly 10x the area of a 1" pad (1" circle has an area of 0.78 in sq / 3" circle has an area
of 7.06 in sq)

In conclusion, it's not the speed you need to be concerned with when using a smaller pad. It is rather the pressure you apply. The smaller the pad, the less pressure you should apply to the polisher because the resulting force at the surface becomes exponentially higher as the pad size decreases. Additionally, you can actually up the RPMs of the polisher as the pad speed is actually quite low with small diameter pads.

EDIT: You guys already figured it out on the speed while I was doing my calculations and writing this post. But I believe my pressure description is still applicable.

Thanks for taking the time to do all of those calculations and explaining so well that even a dummy like me can comprehend.
 

So, it's not the speed that creates the concerning heat when using a small pad...

It is rather whatever pressure is applied.

Example:
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 1" pad you end up with a force of 6.4 PSI at the surface
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 3" pad you end up with a force of 0.7 PSI at the surface

This is because a 3" pad has nearly 10x the area of a 1" pad (1" circle has an area of 0.78 in sq / 3" circle has an area
of 7.06 in sq)

In conclusion, it's not the speed you need to be concerned with when using a smaller pad. It is rather the pressure you apply. The smaller the pad, the less pressure you should apply to the polisher because the resulting force at the surface becomes exponentially higher as the pad size decreases. Additionally, you can actually up the RPMs of the polisher as the pad speed is actually quite low with small diameter pads.


John (2Black1s) - Thanks for this explanation! That really helps me understand an element I hadn’t thought of with smaller pads. I do all DA work (I know, I know - WTH am I doing in a rotary thread?!), but that’s still really good to be mindful of.

Dana: I’m guessing they don’t offer a larger pad for rotary mode because of the extra energy required to spin the larger pad. Think of being in too high of a gear on a multi-speed bicycle. Being a cordless tool I’m sure they played with many setups and only shipped what would provide the most positive experience. If you find a way to run a larger pad in rotary mode, make sure to keep tabs on tool temp (though I’d be willing to bet it’s got a thermal shut down if it gets too hot). Guessing it’ll also plow through batteries faster as well.
 
I drilled mine out. But I only use the 2” & 3” with the orbital throws….. okay, I do use the 2” as a rotary on occasion.

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I thought of doing that and just ordered a crap load of Coatic and APS. Still pisses me off I never would of imagined I was buying such a killer polisher from all the raving reviews. I usually do my homework but in this case it being compared to th iBird and such I just pulled the trigger only to discover this BS! And I do like buying aftermarket parts when I've owned a tool and want to treat it to some upgrades! But in this case if I really wanted to use it as I was intending to I had to throw down another 2 bills when I was already feeling the $400 initial cost. My $200 Maxshine kicks ass and it came with everything under the sun! If I didn't already own it and have had nothing but great results with, I would of just bought the Ibird. Anyway it's done and I'm over it! I'm already looking forward to trying it out on a new s560 that was dropped of today and he is in no hurry to get it back. The last S560 stayed at my house and I had a blast taking my time and trying out a smorgasbord of product and muskets on itIm the MAN
I'm still waiting for one of the GURU's on here to address why the hell FLEX purposely went this route? I Have heard it can make it run out of sync. But then I here the people with the aftermarket parts say this is the best tool in there arsenal!
 
I agree with oneheadlite... A smaller pad is moving at a slower speed than a larger pad at the same RPM. Regardless of pad size, RPM is RPM. The difference in speed is a result of the circumference of the pad.

Example:
- A 1" pad is traveling at 3.14 inches per revolution at its outer edge
- A 2" pad is traveling at 6.28...
- A 3" pad is traveling at 9.42...
- And so on.

From this example, you can see that in a single revolution a 3" pad is moving across the surface at a speed 3x greater than the 1" pad at their respective outer edges.

So, it's not the speed that creates the concerning heat when using a small pad...

It is rather whatever pressure is applied.

Example:
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 1" pad you end up with a force of 6.4 PSI at the surface
- If you apply 5 lbs. of pressure to the polisher with a 3" pad you end up with a force of 0.7 PSI at the surface

This is because a 3" pad has nearly 10x the area of a 1" pad (1" circle has an area of 0.78 in sq / 3" circle has an area
of 7.06 in sq)

In conclusion, it's not the speed you need to be concerned with when using a smaller pad. It is rather the pressure you apply. The smaller the pad, the less pressure you should apply to the polisher because the resulting force at the surface becomes exponentially higher as the pad size decreases. Additionally, you can actually up the RPMs of the polisher as the pad speed is actually quite low with small diameter pads.

EDIT: You guys already figured it out on the speed while I was doing my calculations and writing this post. But I believe my pressure description is still applicable.

If I could come back and ad this comment it will explain my original train of tjought.
If I am polishing paint it is to remove defects. The only way to remove defects is by applying pressure. Apply too much pressure for an extended amount of time using a 1" pad you will burn through the paint faster than Nancy Pelosi husbands panties drop when accompanied by a drug crazed male prostitute.

If your just wanting to glide across the paint it might as well be done by hand imo
 
Just a thought but as the pad size increases so does the speed at the edge of the pad. So maybe Flex is concerned the adapter can't handle the speed of larger pads.
 
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