Rinseless Washes - 2022

I've said it before, my RW sponge go in the shower and get rinsed down and cleaned, never any staining issues and yes, I do have Labocosmetica Idrosave in my collection, no problems

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FYI Labocosmetica is working on a rinseless with no sealant - i might get a full gallon, without any reviews, i like Labocosmetica that much. My gold sponge never got stained from Idrosave personally. I don't let my sponge soak in the solution, if that's the reason...

If i was looking for a sponge today i would buy the new Blue Sponge from Lake Country. Nice color choice.
 
chilly said:
I am trying to get caught up on a few things

Some months back Griot's Rinseless Wash went away and you guys were theorizing that they were re-jiggering it and it would be reintroduced at SEMA and be better than ever

I see it is back on their website

Is it new and improved or.....?
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Similar to old just slicker… cleans good not sure if it’s better or worse than old.


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Setec Astronomy said:
I wonder if that's a soft vs. hard water thing, I have soft(ened) water, I wonder if you use hard water, whether the purported softening action of ONR also attaches the dirt, and it falls out of solution. It does seem odd that myself and others observe pronounced staining, while others observe none at all.
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Interesting thought. I have hard water and have not seen any staining on either my BRS or USS sponges when using ONR. I usually just shoot some APC or Dawn on them after use, agitate, rinse and let air dry.

I have had staining on mirocfiber mitts and ONR, they come out "clean" after laundering, but still a little off color. I'm back to washing with Micro-Restore and little borax and the off color or staining remain, but I've not had any micro-marring on paint. I still don't know what to make out of the staining or off-coloring.
 
I just tried the new Griot's Rinseless; I only got halfway done with the car before it started raining on me. Although members have stated this is a polymer wash, it seemed more like a hybrid to me, based on the foaming and rinse bucket behavior. Not that I have a lot of experience with hybrid rinseless washes.

For some reason I decided to use an Autofiber Double Flip towel as the media, which is kind of a nuisance IMO in this application. Probably would have worked out better if I had been using it in a multiple-media method rather than the single-media as I was using it.
 
The Guz said:
I have used V6 many times with no issues staining any sponge unless you had some type of oily substance on the surface. Use some APC and rinse it out and it will clean up.

Idrosave and Gyeon are sponge stainers though.
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I had the same issue a couple of days ago, using a BRS. Not sure what I picked up on the sponge. I used Power Clean at full strength, but only got some of it out, so I used some Dawn Platinum Plus Powewash spray and the sponge is clean, with the color looking almost new.
 
Just used 100ml of DIY Rinseless in an 80% full 5 gallon bucket, ~200ml of Labocosmetica Preludio Alkaline diluted 5:1 both prior to rinsing with a garden hose and a contact wash with DIY using a Gold Sponge. Car looks pretty good.

Even quickly polished the roof afterwards with 3D Speed on an orange pad. Never got out the scratch i was after but shined the paint up great. 3D Speed is very easy to use even in the sun but its not a cutter. Smells great, with a very smooth wipeoff.

Just 1500ml of DIY left...haha

I am surprised some of you guys don't speed polish more often. I've polished some of the panels on my car(s) now well over 50x. If you have no swirls a few quick passes on a polishing pad usually works really nicely to gloss up the paint.
 
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Hello all, I have been absent for quite a while, but still pop in to check how things are going on the forum. I changed to ride from 'Merica end of last year...still black and still battle the daily elements. It is my daily and winter driving as well.
Anywho, I am like a lot of you and have a problem...love trying new products. Here are the most recent and my thoughts on rinseless washes:
1) Griot's new rinseless - I was pleasantly surprised with this and honestly is one of my favorites now. Polymer based and does not build up with frequent uses. Slick and pleasant smell
2) Detail co rinseless - this was my least favorite, liked the smell, but wasn't very slick to me and did not clean well
3) Armour detail - very slick/gloss and was my favorite for a while - but noticed it really collected dust
4) Clean by Pan - I know there is a lot of dislike with him, but his rinseless wash to me is very good, very slick, and cleans well - I have been grabbing this lately and really like this. His new detail spray, well, honestly is the slickest I have tried and also grab this regularly...awesome gloss
5) ONR V6 - my current version is 3 so I've been late to the game on this one - but I have never had good luck with any versions, and this was no different, meaning I get a lot of smearing, but cleaning power good.
6) Phoenix EOD Hydra 3.0 - decent cleaning slickness, very good for regular use
7) Feynlab V3 - best cleaning and if used too much can strip underlying protection - had quite a bit of smearing

Overall these are just an average Joe's observations that enjoys keeping a black car clean. I have PPF (XPel) and ceramic coated last year that does still hold up well (Xpel fusion plus).
Cheers
 
Ace22 said:
Hello all, I have been absent for quite a while, but still pop in to check how things are going on the forum. I changed to ride from 'Merica end of last year...still black and still battle the daily elements. It is my daily and winter driving as well.
Anywho, I am like a lot of you and have a problem...love trying new products. Here are the most recent and my thoughts on rinseless washes:
1) Griot's new rinseless - I was pleasantly surprised with this and honestly is one of my favorites now. Polymer based and does not build up with frequent uses. Slick and pleasant smell
2) Detail co rinseless - this was my least favorite, liked the smell, but wasn't very slick to me and did not clean well
3) Armour detail - very slick/gloss and was my favorite for a while - but noticed it really collected dust
4) Clean by Pan - I know there is a lot of dislike with him, but his rinseless wash to me is very good, very slick, and cleans well - I have been grabbing this lately and really like this. His new detail spray, well, honestly is the slickest I have tried and also grab this regularly...awesome gloss
5) ONR V6 - my current version is 3 so I've been late to the game on this one - but I have never had good luck with any versions, and this was no different, meaning I get a lot of smearing, but cleaning power good.
6) Phoenix EOD Hydra 3.0 - decent cleaning slickness, very good for regular use
7) Feynlab V3 - best cleaning and if used too much can strip underlying protection - had quite a bit of smearing

Overall these are just an average Joe's observations that enjoys keeping a black car clean. I have PPF (XPel) and ceramic coated last year that does still hold up well (Xpel fusion plus).
Cheers
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Ace, you've certainly got some winners there, no doubt! Feynlab v3 RW is THEE winner for pure cleaner but Carbon Collective from the U.K. is right there with it (if you wanna scratch another itch)

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Setec Astronomy said:
I just tried the new Griot's Rinseless; I only got halfway done with the car before it started raining on me. Although members have stated this is a polymer wash, it seemed more like a hybrid to me, based on the foaming and rinse bucket behavior. Not that I have a lot of experience with hybrid rinseless washes.

For some reason I decided to use an Autofiber Double Flip towel as the media, which is kind of a nuisance IMO in this application. Probably would have worked out better if I had been using it in a multiple-media method rather than the single-media as I was using it.
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If a rinseless beads on the surface during a pre-soak it is either a pure polymer (ie Optimum No Rinse) or is heavy on the polymers with a hint of surfactant (ie Adams Hoseless Wash) that only has slight suds that break down fast in the bucket. A hybrid, if it is heavier on the surfactant side (ie McKee's, DIY Detail, Optimum Hyper Foam) and a surfactant rinseless (ie Feynlab) will tend to lay more flat onto the surface with suds lasting lingering longer in the bucket.
 
The Guz said:
If a rinseless beads on the surface during a pre-soak it is either a pure polymer (ie Optimum No Rinse) or is heavy on the polymers with a hint of surfactant (ie Adams Hoseless Wash) that only has slight suds that break down fast in the bucket. A hybrid, if it is heavier on the surfactant side (ie McKee's, DIY Detail, Optimum Hyper Foam) and a surfactant rinseless (ie Feynlab) will tend to lay more flat onto the surface with suds lasting lingering longer in the bucket.
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So where do you slot the Griot's? I noticed after I posted about it that the label says, at the end of the hazard warnings "CONTAINS SURFACTANTS".
 
I recall it beaded more than laying flat which tells me its primary backbone is a polymer.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
For some reason I decided to use an Autofiber Double Flip towel as the media, which is kind of a nuisance IMO in this application. Probably would have worked out better if I had been using it in a multiple-media method rather than the single-media as I was using it.
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Do you recall if those towels seemed easier to maneuver/control? If yes, any idea about whether it is from the 8x8 size or the "flip" aspect?

Because when doing rinseless with a folded 16x16 towel on vertical panels I sometimes notice my towels, unrolling/unfolding if I'm not careful.
The Guz said:
If a rinseless beads on the surface during a pre-soak it is either a pure polymer (ie Optimum No Rinse) or is heavy on the polymers with a hint of surfactant (ie Adams Hoseless Wash) that only has slight suds that break down fast in the bucket. A hybrid, if it is heavier on the surfactant side (ie McKee's, DIY Detail, Optimum Hyper Foam) and a surfactant rinseless (ie Feynlab) will tend to lay more flat onto the surface with suds lasting lingering longer in the bucket.
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I find this kind of info hard to come by. Thanks for sharing this.
 
vaced said:
Do you recall if those towels seemed easier to maneuver/control? If yes, any idea about whether it is from the 8x8 size or the "flip" aspect?

Because when doing rinseless with a folded 16x16 towel on vertical panels I sometimes notice my towels, unrolling/unfolding if I'm not careful.
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I really don't like using towels for rinseless. As I have stated many times on the forum, I generally use "The Bone", or my favorite which is the defunct Meguiar's Quick Detail Sponge (circa 2004), which uses the same kind microfiber but a much less dense sponge.

My problem with the AF flip was that after using the first two sides, and "flipping" it inside out, I had to go through the same process in the rinse bucket, which just kind of slowed things down.

I'm sure they would work better with the multiple-media method (i.e. "Garry Dean" method...I don't like to call it that because I don't feel he "invented" the method, I attribute the method to long-lost forum member Bill D, who pioneered the "multiple mitt" method for conventional wash. Why Bill refuses to take credit for it when applied to rinseless washing, I don't know. To me it's exactly the same idea, no rinse bucket, use the media once, once it's soiled, switch to a new piece of clean media.)
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I really don't like using towels for rinseless. As I have stated many times on the forum, I generally use "The Bone", or my favorite which is the defunct Meguiar's Quick Detail Sponge (circa 2004), which uses the same kind microfiber but a much less dense sponge.

My problem with the AF flip was that after using the first two sides, and "flipping" it inside out, I had to go through the same process in the rinse bucket, which just kind of slowed things down.

I'm sure they would work better with the multiple-media method (i.e. "Garry Dean" method...I don't like to call it that because I don't feel he "invented" the method, I attribute the method to long-lost forum member Bill D, who pioneered the "multiple mitt" method for conventional wash. Why Bill refuses to take credit for it when applied to rinseless washing, I don't know. To me it's exactly the same idea, no rinse bucket, use the media once, once it's soiled, switch to a new piece of clean media.)
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Thank you.

I may be opposite of you in that I don't like sponges (probably due to my not understanding them enough). And I agree on flipping being tedious.
 
For me it depends on how dirty the car is honestly. If its REALLY dirty its the sponge 100%, too easy to dunk & rinse and get back after it, even a half a section if you feel safer

The multiple towels is for "average" dirty cars and/or if you wanna change things up from time to time IMO

Thing is, with my new crystal clear buckets from ADS, using the sponge will REALLY show how much dirt you've pulled out of the car, VERY satisfying 🤌

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Klasse Act said:
For me it depends on how dirty the car is honestly. If its REALLY dirty its the sponge 100%, too easy to dunk & rinse and get back after it, even a half a section if you feel safer

The multiple towels is for "average" dirty cars and/or if you wanna change things up from time to time IMO

Thing is, with my new crystal clear buckets from ADS, using the sponge will REALLY show how much dirt you've pulled out of the car, VERY satisfying 🤌

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Get the behind me Klasse ;) I’ve been looking at those buckets but I’ve already got a garage full of them. None are clear though… hmmm.
 
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