Montana Boars Hair trashed my finish!!

It scares me to use a brush to wash a car...ask Scott (killrwheels), he wouldn't even use Natural Sea Sponge...
 
I know some like the Boars Hair, but from what I've seen you have to have a unique technique with it so it doesn't scratch etc, seems so many others start washing with it like a normal mitt and end up scratching or swirling.
 
It just seems like there are too many varible about scratching your paint, that can be avoided, and like I said before I'm sure for the people who love it I'm sure it works great but like I said TOO MANY VARILBES!!
 
I had a great conversation with Dwayne! It seems that maybe I did it to myself thru lack of understanding how to best use the brush. After I finish getting the webs out, I'm going to try 1 panel again, using the methods Dwayne suggested. As I unfortunately have to work for a living it will take me a few days to get all the way around the car and get it re-waxed and ready to go again. I told Dwayne that I would let him know how the post buffing rewash turns out. I've got a Solstice, so EVERYTHING is low to the ground, which is why I was interested in the brush in the first place. Gives me some added reach.

I'm still unsure, but after talking with Dwayne and Meghan, I'm willing to give it another shot.

I have to say, I was pained and angry after my experience, but after calling and talking to Meghan and Dwayne, and discussing some "wash theory", I'm convinced AG is the place to be. I'm hoping that this all works out, but I know from the conversations, that if it doesn't, AG will work with me to make me a "happy polisher". To me they are exhibiting true customer service. It's not that you are happy with every purchase, but that you are happy with every experience. I appreciate their efforts and concerns.

I'll repost on here in a few days or so to let everyone know how it all works out.

Happy polishing, and thanks for all the comments, thoughts, and suggestions.
--Paul
 
I too have the AG boars hair brush for vehicles. I can't say that I've NEVER gotten wash induced marring, but it's no more than I would with normal 2bm wash mitts. I use the boars hair brush all the time when i'm doing a "normal" wash and not ONR. I use the 2bm when using the brush, and I can say that this thing is very gentle as long as you use the rinse bucket at least every panel and keep the bristles well lubricated with shampoo.

I have a minivan and it's been a real time saver for me and worth the $70 or so I paid.

:cheers:
 
I used my brush for the first time on my polished car, used 2 buckets, WAB, an once of ONR, and was using it gently on the paint, but still ended up with light swirls. Not sure what the secret methods are, but I can say this brush will end up collecting dust in my garage, because I cant see my self using it again. Paid $100 when I should have just got a new wash mitt.
 
So I rebuffed everything... I'm getting pretty good at that part... LOL

Because I drive my car daily, after buffing I had to drive it. So when it got back home, before doing the paint cleaner, glaze, wax dance, I decided to give the brush a try since I had to wash anyway. Brush directly on clearcoat, with massive suds! :) Two buckets and foamer. That worked out ok. Dried and checked, still good. Then paint cleaner, glaze, and a coat of PB EX followed by Souvran. Looks good so far.

My next checkpoint will be later this week after the predicted rains, when it will need a wash again.

So I'm wondering, was my swirling, etc not in the clearcoat, but rather in the sealant and wax layers? And if that's what was/is happening, is there a better way to fix it besides powering up the PC?

I still want to get to the bottom of it all... Who knew a simple wash could turn into such an investigative project? At least I'm learning a lot... :) I can say my combination of PB EX and Souvran is not as "deep and shimmery" as the previous Zaino plus Souvran. Wondering if certain combinations of products "soften" each other? Any good ideas on how to tell?

--Paul
 
I'm glad to hear that. i wanted to get one in a couple weeks. i want it to get the roof on my truck. it's kind of a pain using a sheep skin mit.
 
pmaugust said:
So I'm wondering, was my swirling, etc not in the clearcoat, but rather in the sealant and wax layers? And if that's what was/is happening, is there a better way to fix it besides powering up the PC?

--Paul
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Swirls in the LSP is something I have commented on numerous times.
I definitely think many of the paint blemishes we polish out are LSP blemishes.
I use a paint cleaner at least once a year, sometimes 3 or 4 times, to remove the accumulation of wax that my cars receive. Even by hand it works pretty good.
I think several paint cleaner products would do the job for you, but before you do the entire vehicle and find out they don't, do the test panel thing again.
 
I am sorry this happened to you but it could turn into a very good learning experience for all.

Are the marks linear or circular? It seems marks from a BHB would be more linear based upon the motion thats used is more side to side and up and down rather then circular.

I have been interested in buying a BHB for quite some time but had to put it off because of the cost. Additionally, every time I would read a comment like "a brush will never go near my paint", I would start to reconsider even though many of these commentators like me have never used a`BHB. I think it is a given that the soft bristles themselves do not scratch paint. What the question seems to be is whether dirt gets tapped between the brush and the paint leading to scratches. I think this is very unlikely given that the dirt is not being trapped against the hairs, the water flowing down washes the dirt away because it is not trapped.

I know the much revered Paul Dolton uses a sponge (he polishes everything out anyway so I guess it doesn't matter much to him). The weight of the sponge saturated with water and the force with which the user is pressing down on the sponge traps the dirt between the sponge and the paint and the dirt has nowhere to go because the sponge is not very porous and the water coming out of the sponge is not at a high enough pressure to wash the dirt away. This is especially true on horizontal surfaces. A BHB on the other hand does not smother the dirt and the water coming from the brush can rinse it away.

A sheepskin wash mitt is good because its so fluffy that the dirt is not sandwiched between it and the paint. A BHB would be great in the winter and on a pole to reach the roof of an SUV.

I look forward to your results.
 
Ive questioned my own use with the BHB. I have 2, a little one and the big poppa one. Ive used it on my ram quad cab (black metallic) and there is no doubt it can leave marring. My own opinion is that they marr. ive use the two bucket method as well and it still marred.

the paint on my dodge shows anything you do wrong to it, and it exposed the bhb imo. im sorry i spent that much money on it. i love autogeek, and i've spent my fair shre here, and will comtinue to do so but i'm surprised they carry and promote this product.

i'll be happy to sell the big one to anyone who wants to try one for half the price.
 
I also suffer from brushphobia.Maybe Dr. Phil can help.Seriously though,nothing touches me truck except lambs wool.I own a 2007 silverado,and because of proper washing techniques have only had to polish once and that was just last week.Sure there were some minor swirls and marring,but overall you really had to look close to see them
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So what is the best Soap to buy, to provide this Brush with the so-called Lubrication it needs.

I did not like dragging around a "wet bag" on my Hand the last time I washed my Truck.

A Boar Brush on the end of a Long-Handle appeals to me a lot... but so far my Wash Soap Bucket doesn't look like any of the "Mike Brush-Washing his vehicle" Pictures.

Is there a Cold-Water Formula ? Should all of the AG Soaps be used with Hot-Water ?
 
2003 GMC Denali said:
So what is the best Soap to buy, to provide this Brush with the so-called Lubrication it needs.

I did not like dragging around a "wet bag" on my Hand the last time I washed my Truck.

A Boar Brush on the end of a Long-Handle appeals to me a lot... but so far my Wash Soap Bucket doesn't look like any of the "Mike Brush-Washing his vehicle" Pictures.

Is there a Cold-Water Formula ? Should all of the AG Soaps be used with Hot-Water ?
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Its whatever soap you prefer better.....i use SS+S works in hot water or cold (i think all soaps do tho) its very very slippery hence the name (super slick and suds lol) but i actually have to fill my bucket up about 3/4 and than add the soap becasue its so sudzy that it will all just be suds if i don't do that....so i put in a couple squirts at 3/4 than stir it around with my hand than fill the rest and the suds just overflow.....

I know seeing suds is what everyone likes but they really dont matter.... its the solution of soap in the water that counts not the suds that's why when i fill up the bucked 3/4 add soap and stir with my hand/arm i can pull it out and fell my arm is slick and lubricated....that's what matters to me most becasue than i know that every drop of water on the mitt or BHB in this case is lubricated. :props:
 
I have NEVER had a problem with my BHB and i use it often on black cars!! I use my foam gun first then the 2 bucket method both with grit guards in them and it works great!!!
 
Hey if anyone has one of these lying around I'll buy it off ya! Cant see myself paying upwards of 100 bucks for a brush but... Anyone wana cut a deal let me know. Thanks Plus I just got laid off from my electrical job so I'm goin full time detail now! And need all the help I can get. Thanks allIm the MAN
 
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