The benefits of a light paint cleaner, cleansing lotion or pre-wax cleaner

c8n said:
Found this... from Mike
Post #7

"When Meguiar's uses the term non-abrasive, and other polish manufactures for that matter, what they mean is the product isn't scratchy, that is its not like a gritty product that will instill scratches into the paint."

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/27118-how-does-meguiars-paint-cleaner-work.html
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Meguiar's spokespersons have often referenced that:
"a paint cleaner" is a polish; polishes are "paint cleaners".

And:
As long as the Department of Commerce doesn't set forth the guidelines/regulations/standards...
The current "Detailing Industry" products' nomenclature-processes will go on unabated and, seemingly: Indiscriminately, as well.

Allow me to paraphrase what Mr. Phillips has stated on many occasions:
'It's how the product in the bottle performs, not what it says it is on the bottle'.


:)

Bob
 
c8n said:
Found this... from Mike
Post #7

"When Meguiar's uses the term non-abrasive, and other polish manufactures for that matter, what they mean is the product isn't scratchy, that is its not like a gritty product that will instill scratches into the paint."

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...118-how-does-meguiars-paint-cleaner-work.html
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Good find... I've written so much over the years I no longer know what's out there and where it's at...

:D



FUNX725 said:
Allow me to paraphrase what Mr. Phillips has stated on many occasions:

'It's how the product in the bottle performs, not what it says it is on the bottle'.


:)

Bob
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That still holds true, in fact I had a similar conversation with a gentleman over the phone last week and gave him this advice when trying to figure out what products to use on his cars, that is

Judge a product by what the product does, not what the words say it is on the label.


:)
 
And for an article that shows with some very telling pictures why you want to use a paint cleaner or some method of cleaning the paint before applying a wax, sealant or coating, check out this newest article on this topic...


Here's why you need to polish paint...

Dirty_Old_Ford_006.jpg



:)
 
Mike, if after i polish using Menzerna SF-3500, am i still need to use this?
 
vieryfl said:
Mike, if after i polish using Menzerna SF-3500, am i still need to use this?
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No, not at all.

The polish will have cleaned the paint like a paint cleaner by a racing it PLUS removed paint defects. The paint cleaner only cleans the top surface.

Your good to go to your next step, probably sealing the paint.


What are you working on?


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
The benefits of a light paint cleaner, cleansing lotion or pre-wax cleaner






Paint Cleaners at Autogeek.net
Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer
3M Scratch Remover
Dodo Juice Lime Prime Lite Cleaner Glaze
Dodo Juice Lime Prime Pre-Wax Cleanser Polish
Duragloss PreCleaner
1Z Einszett Paint Polish
Four Star Ultimate PreWax Cleanser
Griot's Garage Fine Hand Polish
Liquid Glass Pre-Cleaner
Meguiars SCRATCH X 2.0
Meguiars SwirlX Swirl Remover
Mothers California Gold Pre-Wax Cleaner
Mothers California Gold Scratch Remover
P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser
Poorboy's World Professional Polish
SONAX Premium Class Paint Cleaner
SONAX Paint Cleaner
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Mike, first off, great article! Very informative! I know that you posted this over 5 years ago but is this list of cleaners still accurate? Do other products need to be added, or subtracted, from it? Thanks again!
 
Wouldn't a Traffic Film remover accomplish the same thing but less effort? they sound liked theyd also obsolete an iron X type dissolver too
 
Bumping this helpful thread.

Do I need or Can I use a non-abrasive pre-wax cleaner or cleansing lotion every time I wax my car? If I buy Souvarian Wax and it lasts ~1-2 months do I have to reapply the cleaner every time? or just layer the wax and only use it a few times a year to remove the build up? Thanks
 
Does clay do the same thing? Does it remove embedded traffic film?
 
AKT said:
Thanks Mike!

Clay then AIO seems more feasible for me :)
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A quality AIO or generically a quality one-step cleaner/wax is another great option.

Claying remove above surface bonded contaminants

A quality cleaner/wax or if using a cleaner/wax that is actually based upon synthetic protection ingredients than a one-step cleaner/SEALANT (same category of products), will deep clean and also remove below surface defects like swirls, scratches and water spots.



:)
 
Mike Phillips said:

The benefits to using a paint cleaner
  • Removes sub-surface and pore-embedding stains that washing and claying will not remove and your eyes cannot detect.

  • Removes or improves fine swirls, scratches and other minor surface defects like water spots and etchings.

  • Maximizes surface smoothness which maximizes gloss and shine.

  • Restores optical clarity to clear coats so your eyes can see the true color underneath.

  • Restores the full richness of color to single stage paints.

  • Cleans the surface of any impurities that cold block or hinder the protection ingredients from bonding to or adhering to the paint.

  • Helps your choice of wax or paint sealant to last long and thus protect longer because it can bond better.

  • Helps your car’s paint to look better over the service life of the car.

  • Maintaining your car’s appearance protects your investment.

  • You're working forward in the process, not backwards.

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The benefits seems pretty similar to the ones of Meguiars "Ultimate Polish". If I only do it like once a year, would it be okay to just skip the paint cleaner and use Meguiars "Utimate Polish", followed by just wiping with clean microfiber and then applying the sealant?

I was thinking on after polishing with the DA, removing the residue with a combination of ~10% IPA + ONR + Optimum Power Clean degreaser, to disolve oils and add lubricity but I might be overthinking and just the towel alone is enough if I just used Ultimate Polish
 
vwite said:
The benefits seems pretty similar to the ones of Meguiars "Ultimate Polish". If I only do it like once a year, would it be okay to just skip the paint cleaner and use Meguiars "Utimate Polish", followed by just wiping with clean microfiber and then applying the sealant?

I was thinking on after polishing with the DA, removing the residue with a combination of ~10% IPA + ONR + Optimum Power Clean degreaser, to disolve oils and add lubricity but I might be overthinking and just the towel alone is enough if I just used Ultimate Polish
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You can skip the paint cleaner. And, JMO...... Pass on the Meg's UP. It works well enough, but it is a b!tch to remove.

And you do not need to IPA/degrease after using a quality polish. Just go straight to your LSP. (Unless you are using a coating).
 
PaulMys said:
You can skip the paint cleaner. And, JMO...... Pass on the Meg's UP. It works well enough, but it is a b!tch to remove.

And you do not need to IPA/degrease after using a quality polish. Just go straight to your LSP. (Unless you are using a coating).
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Thanks, I was just trying to follow what Mike said about using the same brand when possible since their chemists know what was on products of the step before and what to put on products of the next step.

I wanted to try M27 sealant, what other polisher would you recommend that is easy to remove with just the towel?

Thank you!
 
vwite said:
Thanks, I was just trying to follow what Mike said about using the same brand when possible since their chemists know what was on products of the step before and what to put on products of the next step.

I wanted to try M27 sealant, what other polisher would you recommend that is easy to remove with just the towel?

Thank you!
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Any Griot's product (Griot's creams) or 3D products are sun-friendly, zero (or 99.9%) dust free, and remove easily with a quality MF towel.

I am just a hobbyist, and these two polishes are my go-to's.

Many more opinions to come........ lol
 
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