Boooo price increase midnight sun

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Well have to say its pretty sad that it too a $20 price jump because they put it in a cheap $5 handgun case now. Wont be purchasing that again and glad I got it before this stupid price hike for something useless.
 
05xrunner said:
Well have to say its pretty sad that it too a $20 price jump because they put it in a cheap $5 handgun case now. Wont be purchasing that again and glad I got it before this stupid price hike for something useless.
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The way I see it it's your guys fault for highly rating the product. I am not a Pro at this but I would bet when you compare it to few other cheaper products most of your customers will never tell the difference.I believe it's 90% in prep work.
I was going to try it but not at that inflated price.
This is just my 2 cents.
 
05xrunner said:
Well have to say its pretty sad that it too a $20 price jump because they put it in a cheap $5 handgun case now. Wont be purchasing that again and glad I got it before this stupid price hike for something useless.
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I believe there is more product now, plus there was some fine tuning to the product line (BF)

There is a thread over at another forum explaining all this
 
its still the same 7oz jar as before..
 
Flash Gordon said:
I believe there is more product now, plus there was some fine tuning to the product line (BF)

There is a thread over at another forum explaining all this
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.4 oz more.
No one has explained this FINE TUNING. How can you improve on something that was supposedly perfect? from what I see it's new marketing strategy.From all the reviews I read here it's the best thing since the slice of bread.Can you really blame them for capitalizing on this?
 
mark58 said:
The way I see it it's your guys fault for highly rating the product. I am not a Pro at this but I would bet when you compare it to few other cheaper products most of your customers will never tell the difference.I believe it's 90% in prep work.
I was going to try it but not at that inflated price.
This is just my 2 cents.
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ill bet megs maroon cleaner wax from farm and fleet could look just as good in the right hands.
 
It's the same exact formula. No tuning has been done to it. Everyone has been complaining and saying they won't buy again. Maybe that will get through showing what the people want. For this price now I'd rather have some dodo stuff or just stick to SSII.
 
Todd Helmes offered that all the Blackfire formulas have been tweaked. It is indeed coming in a larger size, and its going back to the original kit design versus the refill offering which was a bit cheaper. Unfortunately everything costs more, even bread and jelly. Luckily with some of the great sales offered here, you should be able to pick some up at a discount during 2012. I remember when Souveran had to raise its price, its unfortunate but necessary and sure Capt. Max has tried to keep it as competitive as possible.
 
Someone on AF made a good point. Likely that BFMS was cannablizing Pinnacle Souveran at its better price point.
 
I am not too happy about this either. But I thought they added half a ounce or so and did tweak all the formulas in the BF line. I may be wrong. But my current jar or Midnight Sun will last me a while.
 
Todd said that only a certain few products were tweaked. Not all of them. He said that bfwd and ms are the exact same just different packaging iirc. I do know that he said not everything was being tweaked.
 
IOMCAMARO said:
Todd said that only a certain few products were tweaked. Not all of them. He said that bfwd and ms are the exact same just different packaging iirc. I do know that he said not everything was being tweaked.
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I see. Thanks for the info!
 
This is what Todd said;
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BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Ivory Carnauba Paste will continue to be a hand poured, premium carnauba wax that is blended from the finest ingredients, including a helping of BLACKFIRE's Wet Diamond polymers. The formula has been improved further (technically the latest pour could be considered Batch 26) and the sizing has been increased by almost half an ounce. In today's world this is quite rare, we have all heard the saying and and have likely had to say it ourselves, “They dont' build them like they used to.” To combat rising manufactuing and chemical costs many manufactuers restort to using lower quality ingredients, decreasing size, or using lower quality ingredients to maintain or increase margins.

If you apply Midnight Sun thick you should be able to get at least 25 applications per the previous 7 ounce size. In identical kit form, which included one microfiber towel and foam applicator, Midnight Sun sold for $69.95, which comes to $2.80 per premium wax applicaton. With the increase in size (assuming two more thick applicatons) the improved formula cost only $2.96 per premium wax applicaton. A nominal increase for an improved formulation that includes a higher quality microfiber towel as well.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
Todd Helmes offered that all the Blackfire formulas have been tweaked. It is indeed coming in a larger size, and its going back to the original kit design versus the refill offering which was a bit cheaper. Unfortunately everything costs more, even bread and jelly. Luckily with some of the great sales offered here, you should be able to pick some up at a discount during 2012. I remember when Souveran had to raise its price, its unfortunate but necessary and sure Capt. Max has tried to keep it as competitive as possible.
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Bread and Jelly; have you taken a look at the price of peanut butter lately?? :eek:
 
mark58 said:
This is what Todd said;
C/P
BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Ivory Carnauba Paste will continue to be a hand poured, premium carnauba wax that is blended from the finest ingredients, including a helping of BLACKFIRE's Wet Diamond polymers. The formula has been improved further (technically the latest pour could be considered Batch 26) and the sizing has been increased by almost half an ounce. In today's world this is quite rare, we have all heard the saying and and have likely had to say it ourselves, “They dont' build them like they used to.” To combat rising manufactuing and chemical costs many manufactuers restort to using lower quality ingredients, decreasing size, or using lower quality ingredients to maintain or increase margins.

If you apply Midnight Sun thick you should be able to get at least 25 applications per the previous 7 ounce size. In identical kit form, which included one microfiber towel and foam applicator, Midnight Sun sold for $69.95, which comes to $2.80 per premium wax applicaton. With the increase in size (assuming two more thick applicatons) the improved formula cost only $2.96 per premium wax applicaton. A nominal increase for an improved formulation that includes a higher quality microfiber towel as well.
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I stand corrected. He also said that there was no major changes to the formula though. It was just to increase durability. Why mess with perfection. :D Also the $2 "tackle box", as some call it, has to be a major part of the price increase.
 
IOMCAMARO said:
I stand corrected. He also said that there was no major changes to the formula though. It was just to increase durability. Why mess with perfection. :D Also the $2 "tackle box", as some call it, has to be a major part of the price increase.
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Just what I was looking for a Nice Box!:props:
 
Blackfire Wax will not be available as you have seen it in the past, and the new package has been yet to be released. Please stay tuned as a lot of great things will be unveiled for BLACKFIRE in the next few weeks.
 
Does this mean it comes with a refill??!?!?!?!? :D :props:
 
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