New Car Decision, 2012 subaru wrx sti or 2013 mustang gt premium

The Mustang.

No offense to Subaru owners, I do like the WRX STI, but conquering all that torque and horsepower on a RWD car provides a much better feeling than on an AWD car.
 
Buy both. :dblthumb2:

On a more serious note, I would probably choose the Subaru. Good gas mileage with good horsepower and AWD is something I looked for in my first car. Not saying the Mustang doesn't have any of those. Just the fact of having only RWD and driving in snow is more difficult compared to AWD. But you can't beat the crazy torque of an American Muscle car.

You really can't go wrong with either one, in the end it probably comes down to the cost of the car, drive train(AWD or RWD), gas mileage, and cost of repairs.
 
As a young man I Have raced, built engines, pulled tractors, owned sports cars both foreign and American. Still nothing boils my blood like good old Anerican muscle. (including mustangs...god did I say that? )
LoL I know what ya mean, my dad is the same way, he's got a '12 5.0 and a rare '69 GT 390 and they are thee craziest things i've ever rid in. When I start leaning towards the subaru I get a feeling of letting down my, true, self? I don't know I feel like the mustang is part of me. lol

Either car is going to need seasonal tires if driven consistently in bad weather. The stock Subaru tires definitely have to go come winter if you live anywhere with a hint of snow or ice.
Yeah I live in upstate NY and every winter has snow and a majority of the winter season(like this season) is ice, sleet, and packing snow. So when I think about that I lean more to the subaru. Also is the wrx sti a car that puts you back into your seat when you floor it?

Hm, if you have the means, get them both and keep the Mustang as a garage queen. If you don't have the means, get the STI and save up for a 2015 Mustang.
LoL one might be over my head, but I believe i'll manage. Two would mean debt lol. But YEAH the 2015 would be amazing by then the subi would be almost paid off, and I could get the 50th anniversary edition 'stang!


Also thanks the many great opinions and perspective's guys! At this moment the subaru seem's more pratical, and I might wait till the 2015 mustang to get the 50th anniversary.
 
The Mustang.

No offense to Subaru owners, I do like the WRX STI, but conquering all that torque and horsepower on a RWD car provides a much better feeling than on an AWD car.

Yes! I was worried about the car having to much control and not get that exact feeling of conquering the high hp and tq when driving. It takes away the thrill that comes with these high performance vehicles.

No offense to anyone that has a mustang, but I would go with the Subaru. I think its a better car and if you treat it nicely it will last forever, if you treat it badly, it will last forever minus a couple hours.

The Subaru for whatever you throw at it should be awesome, just short of rock crawling and severe mudding. It can handle any road condition which makes it very safe. It is very quick which makes it very fun. It also has a huge community (as does the Mustang) so anything and everything you could possibly want to do to it in the future, or just need help with it is there for you.

The Ford has a huge community (as previously noted) it has that awesome V8 that gives loads of power. However, winter will not be very fun, wet roads will not be very fun, corners will not be AS fun as the Subaru. Reliability... who knows. These 5.0s are new so there is not enough out there to have some high mileage kinks and issues pop out yet. I think the styling of the Mustang is more muscular and masculine. It screams America in an almost arrogant way.

I think both choices are great and if life is treating you well enough to be able to afford one or the other, thats fantastic. I think out of the 2 I would decide with the Subaru.

I saw someone mentioning the Audi as an alternative... might I add my suggestion and you maybe getting a 1 series BMW? =) Without consulting any website because I do not feel like it right now, I could be mistaken but I think the 135i is right around 38 or 39ish. That is a fast mamma-jamma too and its German so you know its bulit-proof and my goodness, in my eyes, one of the best looking cars under 100k

I definitely agree with reliability, that is a HUGE factor when buying a vehicle for me. My family has had many ford's in the past and even now, and they have been extremely reliable but it's true that we really don't know how long these new drivetrains will last. And the transmission problems with the new mustang kind of puts me off, as that could be a major problem.

Also the alternative is a possibility for me, as I am german also and I like to take pride in that. And I agree with the bullet proof build quality of these german cars, it's amazing to me. I was looking at a 1-series before, but was put off by the performance if I remember correctly. I would have to test drive it to see if I feel it is fast enough lol. And last the 38-39k price would be exactly around the price of the other choices which is fantastic.

thank you guys once again for the great answers and view points!:dblthumb2:
 
Yeah I live in upstate NY and every winter has snow and a majority of the winter season(like this season) is ice, sleet, and packing snow. So when I think about that I lean more to the subaru. Also is the wrx sti a car that puts you back into your seat when you floor it?

My WRX isn't as powerfull as an STI put I can still feel it put me in my seat when I floor it. I was just assuming the feeling would be more pronounced in the Mustang with the extra torque.

Take each one out for a "spirited" test drive before you make a decision. I would even tell the salesman what you are comparing. It is their job to prove to you why you should buy their car.
 
My WRX isn't as powerfull as an STI put I can still feel it put me in my seat when I floor it. I was just assuming the feeling would be more pronounced in the Mustang with the extra torque.

Take each one out for a "spirited" test drive before you make a decision. I would even tell the salesman what you are comparing. It is their job to prove to you why you should buy their car.

I did take the Subaru out for a test drive but it was definitely not a "spirited" one. I definitely will take another test drive, I hope they let me test them like that though.
 
Not sure about the other car, but Subaru makes high quality cars, that last long and are reliable.

Hope this helps ;-)
 
My WRX isn't as powerfull as an STI put I can still feel it put me in my seat when I floor it. I was just assuming the feeling would be more pronounced in the Mustang with the extra torque.

Take each one out for a "spirited" test drive before you make a decision. I would even tell the salesman what you are comparing. It is their job to prove to you why you should buy their car.
As I said earlier, I have driven both. The Mustang definitely has a better feel to it throughout the rev range. The Subi feels economy car like until you nail it.

With that said, upstate NY and daily driver use has to go to the STi. Still buttloads of fun in all weather conditions. The Mustangs are tenuous on ice/snow.
 
I am more of a Corvette fan, but i really like the looks of the newer Mustang. I don't think you can beat the sound of a properly tuned American V8.

My sister has had 2 Subaru's and they have been very solid in the winter for her, the AWD runs like a tank through deep snow when she has dedicated winter tires (Hankook IPike's) on.

IMO i would look at repair costs... I do know when certain things went on my sisters Sooby, the dealership bill made me want to pass out. Not sure how much repair costs would be on a Stang.

If i had to choose between the two for a DD, and did not have to drive very far to work, i'd choose the Mustang.
 
Be american. Buy american.

I might be starting a war with this, but there really is not such thing as "buying American". If its a service, yes, as far as a tangible product, no. Regardless of where its assembled, most products are MADE overseas.

Its our capitalistic way to ensure we are maximizing profits, every company wants to make the most money they can... can you blame them? Overseas labor is very cheap, heck even some places we outsource to even outsource so they can get cheaper labor costs.

The Toyota Camry is actually the most "American" out of any car in the US, my truck is actually built in Texas. The engineering, design and such is done overseas but the actual manufacturing process is done here in the states.

Also do not forget, the dealerships are all here, the service work when done is here. So there is still a lot that comes back to the US as far as jobs, income, etc.

I understand we should have pride behind "our" brands, however I feel my money should be spent and invested wisely. A vehicle is the WORST investment you can make, well maybe a house if you bought right before the "bubble" popped (ouch). It will undoubtedly depreciate in value year after year. Some brands depreciate faster because of reliability statistics, because of popularity, whatever. So factoring in all these different things will sway my buying decision.

Show me statistical evidence, not anomalies, of reliability, build quality, good resale value, good service (yeah I know thats a relative term but as good as you can get), good styling, features, etc and I will show you where I am standing in line to purchase. I, like anyone else, will stand behind a product that has shown its worth. Some people have had better luck with some brands vs others and are therefore die-hard. I am no different, however I am willing to listen and appreciate different styles and brands because I am a car fanatic through and through. I will not however be succumb to the mentality that I can only or should only "buy American" because its the patriotic thing to do, in reality its a facade to push people to buy certain manufactures, its a sales pitch in my eyes and I will not stand for that.

Wow... sorry for the long rant! lol
 
I would probably get the mustang out of the two. The new stang is probably the most refined muscle car ever made(minus the corvette which not many people can afford). Do you like to work on cars yourself? Because the mustang would be the clear choice as far as that goes. An AWD Subaru has 4 CV axles that will go bad as well as complicated gearboxes and imported parts. The aftermarket is also great fo Mustangs and I think they just plain look better. If you or your family just can't handle the small back seat then the Subaru would be the better choice. Also, the new Charger is something to check out too, it's come along way in the 5 years it's been available. That big comfortable Hemi Dodge runs 13.8 right out of the box and it's plenty roomy and optioned out. I'd get a 2013 Mustang in grabber blue with cloth seats, the 3:73 axle upgrade and the 6 speed if I had the money.
 
Both suck. Get an EVO!!!! lol nah J/K

Both cars are awesome and If you were to go with the Mustang, I don't know if GT is a 4.6 or 5.0 but I would only get a 5.0 and that's it. Such a huge difference all around.

That being said I'd still get an STI because I love Tuner/Turbo cars. If you plan on modding then 100% go with the STI. Tune and a TB Exhaust will bring you too 320 WHP which is like 400 to the crank. AWD for if your in the northern states and get some snow.

GLW your decision.
 
Investment wise, no contest. Dollars you pay to get something fixed if need be, no contest. Styling, individual. Performance, what do you want it to do. Mustang, no contest. Also, you see how many 1971 subarus people collect, zero.
Nothing takes a beating like a work truck, especially if the person driving it doesnt own it. If you look around on your commute today, how many american Work trucks do you see compared to foreign trucks? There is a reason for that. I worked in union plants in the NY and NJ my whole life and a lot of those plants dont even allow foreign cars inside the plant. God Bless America
 
Investment wise, no contest. Dollars you pay to get something fixed if need be, no contest. Styling, individual. Performance, what do you want it to do. Mustang, no contest. Also, you see how many 1971 subarus people collect, zero.
Nothing takes a beating like a work truck, especially if the person driving it doesnt own it. If you look around on your commute today, how many american Work trucks do you see compared to foreign trucks? There is a reason for that. I worked in union plants in the NY and NJ my whole life and a lot of those plants dont even allow foreign cars inside the plant. God Bless America

You do realize that is a narrow-minded way to look at things? I am not trying to knock you because of your views and you are entitled to them, in no way am I trying to be negative toward them or trying to put you down in any way.

With that being said, there is a huge community and continually growing with people collecting and appreciating older subarus, and in fact all older japanese cars. Heck I am actually trying to negotiate with someone over a 82 corolla as a beater car for commute. If you do not realize or know that there is a following I am afraid you are commenting blindly on incorrect information.

There is a reason why you only see American work trucks. Japanese car manufacturers do not make larger vehicles, the biggest is a full-size but, they to date, do not make a HD version. However, especially in my area, you do see a lot of foreign trucks. They are all around here and older tacomas, tundras, older nissan trucks, they all hold their value very well and its not unusual for someone to be selling them after they have well over 200k on them and still running great.

You hit the nail on the head with union, of course they will buy American, that is only what they will buy because, again they want to support this economy because its the perception that its staying in the states when its not necessarily the case. My cousin works for a large tire manufacturer and he actually has to drive a different vehicle to work because if he drove his Honda he knows it would get keyed because its "not American" yet it is built in OH.

There was an article I read a few years ago that talked about the "prep work" that went into a new car from delivery from the dealership. One thing on the check list was to remove all the "made in China" stickers that were all over the cars accessories and such. How "American" is that? By the way, this was an "American" car company.

Im sorry if I offended you, it was not my point to put you on blast. I am actually done with this comment and will say no more about this topic after this post. Please feel free to respond to my posting and if you are upset with what I have said you have full right to defend yourself against any sort of accusations I have made and I am fully prepared to accept the ramifications of my strokes on this keyboard.

I am American and am proud to be American, however I do my best to not be arrogant about our ways. No country is perfect, and ours needs to be included with that statement. I would love to support our country and economy any which way I can because my job, my investments count on the economy to do well. However, I also want my hard work and effort to not be in vain so I will make my efforts and decisions to the best of my ability to do so. Sometimes that goes against what is patriotic, to people who feel that we should only "buy American" I apologize because I am guilty of not doing that every time. Even the products we buy from this beloved site and company are probably not all developed and made here.

Again, sorry for the long post and I promise I am done and done with deviating form the topic.
 
Imagine you got the STI. Now imagine it's summer and you're driving somewhere and you see several Mustangs, Cameros, and Challengers on the road. How do you feel about this?

Now imagine you bought the Mustang. It's winter (not bad, but average), and you see several AWD cars having very little problems getting, but you have focus more on your driving because of the RWD. How do you feel about this?

For what it's worth, I drive my Mustang in the winter. I've encountered some pretty bad conditions, but nothing that has really scared me. In fact, most of the time here in Chicago the bad parts don't last very long. Once the snow is down and the streets are plowed, I have very little problem getting around.
 
I have a video response from this weekend:

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Also almost all Subarus sold in the US, and all Tribeca sold worldwide are built at the SIA plant in the United States.
 
I might be starting a war with this, but there really is not such thing as "buying American". If its a service, yes, as far as a tangible product, no. Regardless of where its assembled, most products are MADE overseas.

Its our capitalistic way to ensure we are maximizing profits, every company wants to make the most money they can... can you blame them? Overseas labor is very cheap, heck even some places we outsource to even outsource so they can get cheaper labor costs.

The Toyota Camry is actually the most "American" out of any car in the US, my truck is actually built in Texas. The engineering, design and such is done overseas but the actual manufacturing process is done here in the states.

Also do not forget, the dealerships are all here, the service work when done is here. So there is still a lot that comes back to the US as far as jobs, income, etc.

I understand we should have pride behind "our" brands, however I feel my money should be spent and invested wisely. A vehicle is the WORST investment you can make, well maybe a house if you bought right before the "bubble" popped (ouch). It will undoubtedly depreciate in value year after year. Some brands depreciate faster because of reliability statistics, because of popularity, whatever. So factoring in all these different things will sway my buying decision.

Show me statistical evidence, not anomalies, of reliability, build quality, good resale value, good service (yeah I know thats a relative term but as good as you can get), good styling, features, etc and I will show you where I am standing in line to purchase. I, like anyone else, will stand behind a product that has shown its worth. Some people have had better luck with some brands vs others and are therefore die-hard. I am no different, however I am willing to listen and appreciate different styles and brands because I am a car fanatic through and through. I will not however be succumb to the mentality that I can only or should only "buy American" because its the patriotic thing to do, in reality its a facade to push people to buy certain manufactures, its a sales pitch in my eyes and I will not stand for that.

Wow... sorry for the long rant! lol
Buying American means buying from an American Company from which Americans derive the profits, instead of a Japanese company, for example. American companies have things made in other countries so that there are more profits for Americans. I think more profits for Americans is good.

I also think that even more importantly, you are getting American ideas and engineering when you buy an American product.

As far as cars go, I simply do not care for the Japanese design philosophy as a whole. Japanese designs are almost never flowing or organic looking. They are small cars with sharp angles, or they have such a blob shape it has very little character at all.
I realize that a lot of Japanese cars are made in the U.S., which is to save on import costs, but that does not change the fact that those cars still represent Japanese ideas. I don't think I can say what I really think about Americans buying Japanese products, other than that I am disappointed that they are not more patriotic and supportive of American inventions and Ideas. Yes, I am very disappointed that American cars are made elsewhere, but those people just assemble the cars, they don't DESIGN them. They just put parts together. They don't determine the concept.

I drive American cars made when they were still made in America, as an aside.

There are very few good looking Japanese cars, the best looking being the 1965 Toyota 2000GT, and THAT is because they copied the Ferrari 250 GTO as closely as they could without copying it exactly or blatantly infringing upon the design.
That is what the Japanese seem to do best. They take someone else's ideas, and then refine them. If the have an original design, it looks like that nightmarish new Celica.
On the other hand, since the Japanese have a different culture, maybe that design really appeals to them. I don't know.

I grew up around American cars, going to car shows since I was born, and seeing all of those beautiful 30's, 40's and 50's cars. Some nice 60's cars, too. By comparison, most cars look like ugly boxes that people just drive because they need cheap transportation.
Out of all of the new designs that come out, about 5% of them are actually good looking IMO, and the rest are plain or just plain ugly.

There seems to be a small following for almost every kind of car, but there are some cars that always are more desirable, because of their design. They have a shape that is simply very appealing, and that design was simply changed for change's sake at some point, simply because people like to buy things that are new, and the obession with newness blinds them to the realities of design aesthetics of a car, and then, years later, they wish they had not sold that car they had, because it increased in value so much, while the ones they bought later just depreciated. They just had to have the newest.

That said, once again, I do think that the new Mustang GT350 is the best looking Mustang ever made, because it's design flows together that the earlier ones, while still looking sleek, stylish and aggressive, or sporty. I guarantee you that someday the Mustang will be worth much more than the Subaru. If you wait long enough, maybe 6 times as much. I see cars as investments as well as transportation, so what about long term appreciation? Most people don't keep cars long enough to realize that. Just watch the Barret Jackson auctions, and pay attention to what kind of cars bring the most money.
 
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