ONR Clay Lube caused Ultra-Poly Clay bar to deteriorate

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Hi everyone,

Just like the title stated. I used a diluted ONR as a clay lube and it caused my Pinnacle Ultra-Poly clay bar to deteriorate while being used on the car. The clay started to leave deposits as if it was coming apart. Anyone had this happen to them too?
 
Awww man sorry to hear that happened. Personally I dont dillute ONR for clay lube. I just buy a dedicated QD product. No issues, even when mixing QD & Clay Bar brands.
 
I exclusively use ONR diluted to clay lube and Meg's fine clay. I have never experienced this problem.

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Nicholas@Autowerx said:
I exclusively use ONR diluted to clay lube and Meg's fine clay. I have never experienced this problem.

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Do you find it better than regular QD? If so at what dillution ratio?
 
Have you tried kneading the clay an extra bit? Sometimes excess lube can cause it to crumble or fall apart.
 
quiksilver_ben3 said:
Have you tried kneading the clay an extra bit? Sometimes excess lube can cause it to crumble or fall apart.
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Really? You had that happen to you? You would figure the more lube, the better. My Clay gets SOAKED in QD solution, after im done I dont even knead it or anything just store back into its Meguiar's plastic clay box. Im using Mother's Showtime as a clay lube. Just depends on the quality of products you are using.
 
CM8 6MT said:
Do you find it better than regular QD? If so at what dillution ratio?
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Dilution ratio I use is 2 or 3 oz per gallon. It works just as well as the dedicated Meg's QD IMHO. I use a lot of lube when I clay. I also knead the clay when I am finished, roll it into a ball and coat it liberally with clay lube before storing in the box. I find this keeps the clay in better condition for longer and prevents it from drying out and crumbling.
 
I've had this happen but usually after using the clay many times and or using Black Fire clay cleaner/extender. Did you mix the onr as recommended for lube? One cap full(1/2 ounce) to 32 ounces. Try rinsing the clay in water and kneading it.

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Nicholas@Autowerx said:
Dilution ratio I use is 2 or 3 oz per gallon. It works just as well as the dedicated Meg's QD IMHO. I use a lot of lube when I clay. I also knead the clay when I am finished, roll it into a ball and coat it liberally with clay lube before storing in the box. I find this keeps the clay in better condition for longer and prevents it from drying out and crumbling.
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^^^ Could not of said it better myself. This is EXACTLY what I do. Except sometimes im in a rush and forget to spray it with QD before storing in its container.

Still cant see how "excessive" QD solution would cause a clay bar to crumble like Quiksilver stated.
 
What ever cleaners are used in QDs and ONR could cause it.

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ShaunD said:
I've had this happen but usually after using the clay many times and or using Black Fire clay cleaner/extender. Did you mix the onr as recommended for lube? One cap full(1/2 ounce) to 32 ounces. Try rinsing the clay in water and kneading it.

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I used the Blackfire Clay Extender...Ugh now I know why :( Luckily I have another Poly Clay. I noticed the ONR diluted is not as slick as the Pinnacle Clay Lubricant. Anyone notice the lack of slickness with ONR?
 
CM8 6MT said:
Really? You had that happen to you? You would figure the more lube, the better. My Clay gets SOAKED in QD solution, after im done I dont even knead it or anything just store back into its Meguiar's plastic clay box. Im using Mother's Showtime as a clay lube. Just depends on the quality of products you are using.
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Im thinking the main issue being lube preventing the clay to stick to its self.

I have seen when inspecting my clay after claying a section, little cracks in the clay. If i don't knead extra after that section. It seems to fall apart at the edges.
I've also noticed while folding edge to edge the clay will crack at the fold and not simply fold over and blend in like caly should.

I haven't experienced this issue in a while now though. The last time was when my father was helping me clay and was using way too much Last Touch 1:1. This was with Meguiars Mild Blue clay. I think the more grainy...... consrtuction alos had a negitive effect. (Easier to break apart?)
 
I am not a big fan of Pinnacle Clay. It always crumbles on me. I usually use Meguiars Clay w/o issue.
 
RPPM said:
I am not a big fan of Pinnacle Clay. It always crumbles on me. I usually use Meguiars Clay w/o issue.
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Ive used a year old Megs clay, took it out of its container, sprayed with QD and performed like it was new.

Blue Magic clay is also good stuff.
 
I tried ONR as clay lube, had bad issues with clar marring, used with Meg's detailer clay, mothers yellow clay and the Amazon clay , I used Megs QD and Mothers with no issues and same bars. TRied to make a few batches of ONR using their instructions thinking I mixed it wrong, used distilled water, no luck with it.
 
weekendwarrior said:
I tried ONR as clay lube, had bad issues with clar marring, used with Meg's detailer clay, mothers yellow clay and the Amazon clay , I used Megs QD and Mothers with no issues and same bars. TRied to make a few batches of ONR using their instructions thinking I mixed it wrong, used distilled water, no luck with it.
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I havent used ONR as a clay lube myself, simply because I have a ton of Mother's Showtime spray. I much rather use ONR for its intended use, a Rinseless wash.
 
I've had one similar issue with a over the counter Meguiar's Clay kit, one bar just crumbled. However, it wasn't an instant thing and I really think the bar got quickly "filled" with contaminants. I've had other bars fall apart as a result of becoming over used, which seems typical. Usually happens on large neglected boat details. That said, I've never had one break apart on a single detail, and even on the other details I never related it to the QD, rather, over use.

Are you saying this bar deteriorated quickly, as in one use? Wow!

By the way CM8,

I love that Showtime, don't you? Works good, and smells great.
 
I use Pinnacle speed clay with ONR/distilled water and BF clay extender and haven't had any problems.


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