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I used to use Microfiber Madness Dry Me Crazy Jr towels back when twist loop towels such as the PFMs weren’t a thing yet. Those Dry Me Crazy towels are so great though - so thick and premium feeling. Haven’t tried the other stuff from them but I’m sure it’ll be great. I also like Carpro BOA...

You might as well also add their Ceramic Rinseless wash and the Rinseless Wash and Wax to really see how they stack up. This way we can really see where things stand lol.

I actually did order the new sponge despite having plenty of other sponges. I think Armour is a decent company and their products have been good. I also like they are more of a detail company than a social media company like some of the other ones. I’m kinda sick of social media and influencers...

ONR is always a top notch product and is not over hyped like some. Since I use a sponge a lot, I don't like the staining part for some of the reasons you mentioned. When a lighter colored sponge gets dirty, one doesn't know if its new dirt or old dirt or just staining. Oh and I am with you on...

It might not be actual dirt but just staining because even with that stained sponge, the Griot’s cleaned and performed very well. And the drying off is really nice. Kind of like ONR where the stained sponge doesn’t make too much of a difference - it bothers some people but not others.

Definitely, it’s a good product but not releasing dirt is a big issue for some. I tried their older Brilliant Rinseless back in the day and to me that one seemed to have more of a kick to it. I used that with the multiple towel method and it was a great product but Griot’s discontinued it. Funny...

The middle adhesive type material is less pronounced in V2 than V1 but it's still there. But other than that, V1 is better - plus the red color is a bit lighter and the sponge just feels softer.

I tried the new Griot's Garage Rinseless recently and have mixed feelings about it. It's cleans well, is very slick and overall a good experience. It also dries very well. However, it simply is not good with a sponge as the dirt simply does not rinse out and it stains it. It's not as bad as...

I also heard them say that but not frequently, though now they say it's the same on both sides. I have also tried both the V1 and V2 of the Legacy sponge and I actually liked V1 better - it's more flexible and a little softer. The V2 is more rigid and less able to squeeze into tighter spaces...

Here's what their website says: "V2, for Version 2, improves upon all the characteristics of the original formula that you've come to know and love! The most noticeable differences include: added lubricity, easier drying in colder climates, and superior cleaning on various surfaces." I always...

Ah ok, good to know, thanks. It had that similar greasy stained feel to it. I should've just kept it but my disappointment in the rinseless made me just toss it out.

Gotcha, I presprayed so that might be why. And the ONR staining is easily removed on the sponges. So maybe with Idrosave, don't prespray if you don't want the spotting?

Ok, so I am not crazy here when I said there is significant spotting left behind using Idrosave. I’m seeing other people say similar things - that when you prespray, you see spots left behind and they don’t come off easily at all.That’s a big reason I’m probably not going to use this product. I...

I haven’t noticed significant staining with any of the ONRs and the sponges clean out well with soap. Also I am not sure if I can tell a big difference between the various ONR versions. I do use other rinseless products but will use ONR sometimes as well.

There are always pros and cons to any one of these products. For example, the surfactant based ones dry out rather quickly outdoors and especially when its sunny. Polymer types stain a bit more, some more than others. So I guess we should pick a product that works for the situation we are...

Exactly, except I think the media staining is worse than ONR because you can use some soap to clean out the sponges after ONR. You are right though about this rinseless leaving something behind - I felt it did and my sponge had a somewhat hydrophobic effect to it while using it. I also did not...

The sponge I used was red and and it was very dirty after washing the first car and almost black after washing the second one. And the cars were not that dirty. So based on my usage of rinseless washes before, this was the worst one when it comes to staining wash media. ONR does not even compare...

So I used Idrosave today. The product seems good but once you start using it, you notice that it stains the media very bad. The sponge I used was turning dark very quickly and towards the end of the wash, it was almost black. It also left dried droplets behind which were somewhat hard to remove...

The panels felt a lot more dryer than they do when I pretreat it. I think I'm going to go back to doing it. Definitely do not want swirls.

Yes, if the car is pretty dirty than wiping it off dry probably does increase the changes of swirls. I did rinse the car off before so I guess that helped a little. Glad to hear your wash methods are working great. By the way, thank you for the detailing lessons. I know you from the Accord...