1st "bad" Customer

garyg7133

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In the 3 years that my p/t business has been in operation, I have managed to build a good base of repeat customers and quite a few referrals. In that time, the closest thing I have had to a complaint came from a customer who asked if I could "dust off" the car (their driveway was a dirt path off a main road and the car got dusty immediately after I finished).
A few weeks ago ( and this is just sticking in my head now ) I did a base interior / exterior on a Lexus SUV. (photos are on my FB page).
The customer called and said that they had been referred by a mutual business group member and I quoted her a price. When I arrived at the address, it was a business location and not a residence. Wouldn't have been a big deal if she had mentioned it in advance but I now was unprepared to properly dispose of waste water seeing as it is a business site. Maybe she just didn't think anything of it. No problem.
I inspect the exterior and find numerous dings and scratches and a large patch of paint transfer on the front bumper. I do a walk around with her and her response to the paint spot is " I hit a sign making a turn but my husband says that should buff right out". I inform her that I will do my best to clean it up, but make no guarantees as I do not know the condition of the paint underneath. I photograph it and we move on to the inside which was a mess. She comes right out and says that her kids made a mess in the back and to do "the best you can". Keep in mind she did not opt for having the carpets steamed but merely vacuumed. Fine.
I get to work and do what I think is a FINE job on her vehicle. As she passes by with one of her customers she remarks that it looks "amazing" and I invite her to look at the interior as well. She looks inside and I get a "WOW! Looks almost new!" I thank her and let her know that I will dress the tires and the car will be finished.
As I am doing that, her husband decides to put his .02 in He comes out, opens the door and says " Aren't you going to clean the leather?" While I am trying to extinguish the plume of smoke that is clearly emerging from the top of my head, I reply " The entire interior has been cleaned including the leather. The spots that you are seeing on the leather are wear and tear and cleaning is not going to repair them unfortunately. " He does a flyby of the area where the paint transfer was and mutters something about being able to remove the paint himself and I nearly lost it.
Now I have to get paid. She hands me HALF of the money and says " do you have change of $100 and hands me a $100 bill" Naturally I don't but I tell her if she doesn't have change that a check would be fine. She says " oh no, you can take the $100 up to the corner and get change and I will give you the rest when you come back. Now I'm officially pissed. Of course I'm in a pinch now because I want to get paid. Luckily I still have her keys in my pocket because the next words out of her mouth are " where are my keys? " I let her know that I have them and they will be returned upon payment and final inspection. I get change and come back and after being paid she wouldn't even come out to give a final inspection. I hand her my final inspection form to sign and she scribbles on it and gives me the heave ho.
Not quite sure what the hell I did to these people other than providing great service in the face of adversity, but NEVER AGAIN. I won't even answer the phone if I see their number....
 
Never take a check, especially from a cry baby like her husband.

If her husband was so manly and had these amazing abilities why didnt he do it.

I am nice to all my customers however when they get snotty and smart ass with me, i just give it back to them in a condescending way.

In example.

You explaining to that man "you worked so hard and those stains wont come out because its worn " me and you understand an intelligent person understands but all that knuckle head heard was this

"i dont have the skills knowledge or products to get these stains out because i suck"

Whatever we say we will not win. Next time paint a picture.

And say hahahahahah ! Yaaaaaa thats what happens when YOU let kids eat mcdonalds and spill drinks in food in your car for 5 years without getting it detailed !

He then will know what exactly that means, you screwed him in a nice way.

Those people you can not win. It doesnt matter if you charged 20$ they dont care they expect perfection.

Don't get down about it, your going to get dummys that dont understand.

Remember mike phillips didnt mike that inspection sheet for being nice and customers being understanding.

He made it to avoid problems and manage expectations from people with unrealistic expectations.

90% of people that come to my shop all tell me they know how to buff. And they also tell me they have the best polishes money can buy.

One guy dropped his audi off to me for 130$ he wanted a polish wax and a basic interior package.

He dropped it off at 3 and told me he needs it back after dinner at 7

He came back a week later and asked why does he still have scratches and swirl marks in his paint.

I told him not only did you want perfection paint for 130$ you wanted me to do it in 5 hours ?

He told me hes a pro buffer and uses a wool pad for one steps. On a rotary lol

I told him , so you dont care about all the damage marring and holograms your leaving in the paint with the wool ? He got nervous and started to baffle


I told him i can remove all the defects for 600 and i need 5 days.

His mouth dropped, he thought i was incapable of giving him perfection paint when i showed him my pictures of the cars i had done. My pricing and the process.

He changed his tune.

Explaining in a professional matter dont work cause they still think we're idioits anyway.

There not coming back cause they feel you scammed them anyway.

So i paint. Picture for them.

Dont let it get you down people are dumb sometimes
 
$130 for a full correction and interior.... Clearly I'm overcharging my customers :P
 
Many moons ago, before I knew what I was doing, I was 18, charging $100 for a "full detail" in my eyes. Wash, tires and wheels cleaned, orbital cleaner wax. Interior shampoo and cleaned. Had a guy with a BARN FIND Honda Accord. Thing had HAY in the hatch. I spent hours, HOURS cleaning it. He picked it up and was ticked it still smelled and there were bits of hay embedded in the carpet. At that point I told him too bad, 6 hours, $100, sorry you didn't get perfection.
 
You must not take these customers!
Raise your prices to weed them out!

I'm never sure if I'm going to do a car or not until the inspection.
It all seemed fine until the husband showed up so not much you could have predicted before that so raising your prices should prevent this in the future.
I get one or two a holes a year. I NEVER TAKE THEIR MONEY!
You should have given their money back. You will lose more from bad reviews then the job cost.
I did take $400 buck from an a hole this year. I am done with him and he can't complain for free work.

Listen for "red flags" and listen to your gut.
Your not a ##### so don't take every job that comes your way.
 
That SUV looks really damn nice in the pics you took! Im shocked they complained.
 
I told him i can remove all the defects for 600 and i need 5 days.
Where are you located??? Guy I talked to last year wanted $1,500 and 3 days... After which, I figured I could learn myself with all the information here and videos on the web to save a couple bucks. It is very time consuming for sure
 
Unfortunately very true! And not just limited to the detailing world. An epidemic of narcissism.
 
That SUV looks really damn nice in the pics you took! Im shocked they complained.

Thanks ! It was pretty gross, especially inside the door pockets, but all in all it cleaned up well. As far as raising my pricing, I doubt raising it would have weeded them out. After thinking about it for a while I think they were more concerned with getting rid of the paint on the bumper. I'm betting that the BS story that they gave me was a cover up for hitting another car in a parking lot.
 
After thinking about it for a while I think they were more concerned with getting rid of the paint on the bumper. I'm betting that the BS story that they gave me was a cover up for hitting another car in a parking lot.

I think this was why you were hired too.
A car that was neglected for years and who's owners still have the McD eating/spilling kids don't seem like people who would spend $ for a one time detail.

Also in every area there are people who are sneaky and try at every turn to get things free or at a reduced price for themselves and family by babbling like idiots about minutiae to confuse a situation, and they are not able to focus on facts.
Looks like you met some.

Good thing you had her keys!!
:xyxthumbs:
 
I think this was why you were hired too.
A car that was neglected for years and who's owners still have the McD eating/spilling kids don't seem like people who would spend $ for a one time detail.

Also in every area there are people who are sneaky and try at every turn to get things free or at a reduced price for themselves and family by babbling like idiots about minutiae to confuse a situation, and they are not able to focus on facts.
Looks like you met some.

Good thing you had her keys!!
:xyxthumbs:

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I personally feel bad and get frustrated when I see you guys deal with this. Even for people who may not be car care enthusiasts or don't have the funds to get a quality detail, I still wish they appreciate the skill and labor you guys put into this. I know I enjoy looking at your before and after write ups and processes.

Ofcourse soon I might be getting myself into these dramas.
 
Where are you located??? Guy I talked to last year wanted $1,500 and 3 days... After which, I figured I could learn myself with all the information here and videos on the web to save a couple bucks. It is very time consuming for sure

He had a nice audi that he took care of.

It wasnt that bad.

And i go to work. If i sat around all day saying i charge 1.500 for paint correction and guys come with a 01 honda. I will starve all day that doeant mean you actually get it.

I would of been able to give him 90% in about 7-9 hours no problem.

Paint correction or enhancement.

All depends on vehicle damage the vehicles worth and the desired result.

I do "bs" polishes for 100$ just to enhance gloss and most people are happy for that. Not every car is a show car.

Also what kind of car do you have and why did he want to charge you 1,500?

Was there wetsanding involved.

Average correction prices range from (from a reputable place who knows what there doing)

300-1100
 
I have been quoted $1,800 for a correction, not orange peel correction, just swirl removal.

I gotta get pics up. I really don't believe it is that type of correction.
 
I have been quoted $1,800 for a correction, not orange peel correction, just swirl removal.

I gotta get pics up. I really don't believe it is that type of correction.

That guy was a idiot what kind of car was this ? And who was he.
 
23 years detailing I've seen it and done it all.first off don't be mad or upset if you lose 1 customer you will gain 10 it's a revolving door .Secondly let her give you a check if it's no good here in fla its intent to defraud a felony. No matter what state you live in they have a worthless check division ,you got 7 days after the letter of intent if no success she will be arrested . everything boils down to expectations this shout out could be 8pages long at the end of the day you did the right thing period. Don't sweat it .
 
That guy was a idiot what kind of car was this ? And who was he.

2011 BMW Local detail "with 20 years experience"


I am not a detailer. In these circumstances I would be on the other side of the transactions and can say...

I appreciate the way everyone handles it. State the deal up front. Point it out. Get it in the open.

I would appreciate someone being honest and upfront with me.
 
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2011 BMW Local detail "with 20 years experience"


I am not a detailer. In these circumstances I would be on the other side of the transactions and can say...

I appreciate the way everyone handles it. State the deal up front. Point it out. Get it in the open.

I would appreciate someone being honest and upfront with me.

I can see if it was a ferrari or something, thats ridiculous.

I bet he wasn't even coating it.

What a rip.

Larry ammonyc charges like 600-1000 for a 8-9 hour buff

And why is that a big deal ? To me it is. Larry has taken many classes and works with the best in the industry and is even a product developer.

Your local guy with 20 years experience. Hah
 
I can see if it was a ferrari or something, thats ridiculous.

I bet he wasn't even coating it.

What a rip.

Larry ammonyc charges like 600-1000 for a 8-9 hour buff

And why is that a big deal ? To me it is. Larry has taken many classes and works with the best in the industry and is even a product developer.

Your local guy with 20 years experience. Hah

Sorry to go off-topic, but mine is similar although I do have a bigger car, 2012 X5. I was quoted $1,500 for full exterior and interior cleaning, paint correction to remove swirls from using automatic car washes and a small scratch in the rear bumper that needs to be wet sanded. I do try to keep my car clean as I do vacuum and shampoo/condition the seats, automatic car washes. I felt that the price this guy quoted me was way too high and didn't go with it. At half price, it would seem more reasonable to me.
 
I love big metro cities such as ny or the citie itself I went there in 2010 left fla for 2 week visit in westchester ny. I booked so much work there I didn't even want to come back to fla. with no effort on my part trying to get work I went to a deli to get a sandwich a lady was waiting near my truck I booked a 450 detail on a ml 500. Larry is in the center of it all nyc people ask when you can do it ,fla people ask how much.Selling products is peanuts to much involved,I'd rather be half owner of a hair salon that grosses over 500k a year . I show my face every2 weeks with no headaches now those girls make cash 1000 on some days be home by 4 have plenty of energy after ,and only work 3 or 4'days a week .
 
I love big metro cities such as ny or the citie itself I went there in 2010 left fla for 2 week visit in westchester ny. I booked so much work there I didn't even want to come back to fla. with no effort on my part trying to get work I went to a deli to get a sandwich a lady was waiting near my truck I booked a 450 detail on a ml 500. Larry is in the center of it all nyc people ask when you can do it ,fla people ask how much.Selling products is peanuts to much involved,I'd rather be half owner of a hair salon that grosses over 500k a year . I show my face every2 weeks with no headaches now those girls make cash 1000 on some days be home by 4 have plenty of energy after ,and only work 3 or 4'days a week .


What part of florida are you from
 
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