3M Tape Type & Typical Width?? - Polishing Preparation

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TAPE ,............a mundane topic, to say the least, BUT:

Have done a search in the forum on what specific type of 3M tape is best for car detailing & the typical width people use to prepare for polishing. A million posts that mention "tape".............very few with any specificity.

> What type of 3M Painters Tape should be used? Their are 2-3 types, looks like the differences are in adhesive aggressiveness. Or should I go out to an autobody supply store and buy 3M tape specifically made for car painting/masking, etc.?

> What width does everybody use? By the looks of photos here, it would appear that 1 -1.5" is the usual. I would think any wider would be harder to handle around bends/curves, even if the extra width was warranted.

> Best/cheapest source for 3M tape recommended..........big box stores/Home Depot/Lowes/???? Any suggestions.........or just buy a few rolls at the Depot down the street (BTW, will a single roll of 1" do an entire, say, full size car....just checking needed quantities)??

Thanks for the info.

See ya.
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The 3M tape I have is green in color. I have both the 1 inch and 2 inch tape width. And a role will last for a while. You will learn over time what you need to tape, on a vehicle. i did use more in the beginning, kind of like a learning curve.
 
Ed, thx for the info.

I assume that your tape is specifically for "autobody/paint masking"? The homes tores have only blue, that i could see. Could you post the actual name or model/number for me? Also, thanks for the width/usage comment.

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The 3M tape I have is green in color. I have both the 1 inch and 2 inch tape width. And a role will last for a while. You will learn over time what you need to tape, on a vehicle. i did use more in the beginning, kind of like a learning curve.
 
3M makes green tape and calls it auto tape. The blue 3M tape is painters tape which you find in paint stores and paint section of Wal-Mart. I used both on my car. Can't say for sure, but the green tape's adhesive did seem easier to clean up where needed.

You can usually find the green tape in the auto section of Wal-mart, and of course Autogeek sells it as well. I used the 2" for masking larger areas like my headlights. Used the one inch tape for smaller spaces around my trim.
 
If you've used the blue tape, as well, did you see any differences between that and the green automotive variety?

Thx.

See ya. :wavey:


I use the green 3m tape, the sizes I use are 1/2, 3/4 and 1 1/2 inch sizes.
 
For the Lexus detail we did last Friday we used the 3M tape that's available via the Autogeek store here. It seems to have much stronger adhesion in my opinion than the blue painter's tape also made by 3M and works well especially if you need some extra sticking power. I've used this green tape a lot when I was younger because that's what the local PBE store always had in stock where I bought my supplies.

I've also used both strengths of the blue painter's tape and out of the two I usually prefer the stronger one, the one with the white colored cardboard inner roll and the orange colored cardboard inner roll and usually out of these two I prefer the stronger of the two because sometimes the least aggressive adhesive just isn't sticky enough.

That said, when I'm buffing out a car I use whatever's available!

As for widths, it's really nice to have a variety of widths on hand just so you can tackle anything that comes your way. This would include the very thinest of painter's tape to the very wider painter's tape. Thin tape for thin, hard body lines or thin gaskets and a collection of the rest just to make it fast to tape-off a car.

Lowe's and Home Depot are usually pretty good places to pick up the blue painter's tape and a PBE store is generally stocked with the green automotive painter's tape.

If you don't know where your PBE stores are then do a little research and find out and then pay them a visit to see what they stock.

I like to have a variety of thicknesses on hand for taping things off as well as 2 mil drop cloths, a soft flannel bed sheet, (not the fitted type with elastic in the corners but completely flat style), a beach towel, tin foil and newspapers.

You just never know what's going to come in handy.


In a perfect world you wouldn't have to tape-off or cover anything up but alas that's not the case. Anything with pebble textured black plastic should be taped-off or covered up however as once you get an kind of polish or wax residue on textured plastic surfaces it can be very difficult to remove 100%

My favorite cars to buff out are any car that was built before pebble textured plastic was invented.

Also, try not to leave any kind of painter's tape on for too long as the longer it's left on, especially if it's warm or the car is in direct sunlight, the more difficult it will be to remove.

I saw a 1957 Chevy last summer in the parking lot of a body shop all taped-off for painting but it never went into the booth and instead was parked outside and the tape looked like it was old and weathered, it didn't look like it was going to come off without a fight.


Back in 2005 I shot some video with Richard Lin where we used a Lotus Elise and Lotus went a little overboard on the black plastic trim.

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I use 3m green automotive masking tape, Im not sure if its the same as autogeek carries but I usually get mine from walmart in the auto section near the touch up paints since I go through it so often.
 
If forced to make a decision on one width it would be 1 1/2 " and it would be the green (less residue). Right now all I've got is blue and it's fine too.
 
So on body Joints, like Doors to Fenders... you just want to cover up the Gap, right ?

What happens to the Paint under the Tape ? I guess you want to use the thinnest Tape possible so that it just barely hangs on, yet is enough to stick.

Green or Blue... this thread hasn't nailed it down for me, yet. I don't know which color to get and which brand.

All this Tape discussion being said and the need to do it, does that mean that the products AG sells to bring Black Pebbled Trim alive again after getting polishes and Waxes on them, don't Work ?

Products like Black Wow, Black Dye and Black Again... ?

Or is it just a Time thing ? Taping off a Car's Trim versus applying these "Black" products to cover/fix up the mistakes ?
 
You don't tape up the the gaps between body panels otherwise like you said you can not polish the paint under the tape. It looks as though most are using the green, the green like I mentioned above leaves less residue than the blue. Plus you should not use anything to cover your mistake because after the first wash they will re-appear. If an accident occurs you need to find a product that removes any type of polish or wax. Acetone works very well and so do certain adhesive removers
 
I use the basic blue ... had more than a year. Seen the green, didnt think it was any different other than color.
 
Its much different, even down the the feel of it. I cant use the blue anymore it feels sort of "cheap" to me now.
 
So on body Joints, like Doors to Fenders... you just want to cover up the Gap, right ?

What happens to the Paint under the Tape ? I guess you want to use the thinnest Tape possible so that it just barely hangs on, yet is enough to stick.

Answered that question here in post #9 as this question comes up all the time.

2008 Lexus IS 250 - Pinnacle Detail - August 14th, 2009

Here we've taped-off the rubber gasket between the glass and the window frame and I'm pointing to show that there's about an 1/8th of an inch of paint that's not going to get buffed with either of the two polishing steps. After the correction steps we'll remove the tape and carefully wax these areas for a uniform look that will match the polished areas next to the tape line. While not perfectionist detailing in some eyes, remember this is a daily driver, not a show car. You can invest more time and just run the tape down the rubber and get it close to the edge of the panel if you want or just overhang a little like I did here. It's your choice based upon what you're trying to accomplish and how much time you want to invest.
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NOTE: If you read what I wrote carefully, I addressed the issue of the paint under the tape not getting polished. And how AR or DO you want to get is up to you. If I were polishing out this car, a 1950 Studebaker Starlight Coupe I would tape off anything and everything that requires perfectionist style detailing.



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When it comes to Daily Driver's however, there's usually this little tiny strip of paint that doesn't get the same attention as the rest of the panel. Again if you want to do perfectionist polishing on a Ford Taurus, go for it as it's your time and your car.

I like to major on the majors and minor on the minors, by this I mean the big picture is the car in total, not this little tiny strip of paint that runs along the edge of whatever it is you're taping off. Most people are going to stand back and look at the car, not get their nose right up next to the paint surrounding the window and look for swirls in a tiny little strip of paint adjacent to the window.

Everyone has to find a way that works best for them and I can be just as detail oriented as most and usually more than most but I don't practice perfectionist detailing to this kind of degree on a daily driver.

Find balance. If you're just starting out, major on the major panels and minor on the minor details until something like this comes along...


I posted this in 2005 but it shows getting pretty DO with the taping off and covering up, it's also not a daily driver but the former President of the San Diego Corvette Club's 1965 Corvette Stingray. A weekend or two later his car took first place at some huge Corvette show where the car was on display outside at the Plastic Fantastic All Corvette Show.


Over the years I have met hundreds of people that want to learn how to machine buff, one of the things I like to share with them is that there is a lot of difference between watching someone demonstrating how to use the rotary and working a small, easy to buff section like an area on the hood, and taking a rotary buffer to the entire car.

It takes practice to get experience and to actually be good at it and it's this practice, as in buffing out many cars in order to to have the upper body strength including back, shoulders, arms and hands to call buffing with a rotary buffer just as easy as using a dual action polisher.

There is a tremendous amount of difference between demonstrating a small section on the hood of a car and buffing out the entire car.

For first timers, if it's you're own car you can always do a section at a time, for example the hood one Saturday, a fender the next Saturday, and so on...

Remember, depending on the quality you're trying to achieve, a super high quality rotary buff-out, (assuming the finish is in horrible condition to start with and needs compounding), means
  • * Washing the car
    * Claying the car and wiping off the residue
    * Performing a test spot or two to dial in your system and make sure you system will work. (Alway test your product and process in a small area first to make sure you can made a small area look good before tackling the entire car.)

    * Taping off the car if you're so inclined. (Often times because of the number of times you're going to run the buffer over the panels of the car the potential for excess splatter in all the body seam, trim crevices, moldings, etc., you'll find it fast to tape off a car really well instead of going back over the car at the very end and digging any excess splatter out of the cracks with a toothbrush. This in part depends on your personal idea of a quality buff job as some people don't care if they leave splatter in the cracks and crevices, and some guys are so good they don't splatter at all so they don't tape off, everything depends on you)

    * Step 1 - Rotary buffer compounding - Then wipe off
    * Step 2 - Rotary buffer light machine cleaning. Usually with a cleaner/polish - Then wipe off
    * Step 3 - Optional Re-Polish entire car using a dual action polisher to insure all swirls are removed using the previously applied cleaner/polisher.

    * Step 4 - Apply first coat of wax
    * Step 5 - Optional Apply second coat of wax
    * Step 6 - Remove tape and give car a final wipe. (Assuming you taped off any trim or body seams etc...
The point is, tackling an entire car with the rotary buffer and doing a super high quality job can take the entire day. In the above example, if you did all of the steps, you will have wiped-off each panel 6 times, not including wiping off the water after washing the car), and with each step, you must focus more an more on doing your best to carefully wipe off any residue because after the second and third steps you will have, or should have removed all but the deepest scratches and you don't want to be putting any more back in as you wipe product off.

Remember, after the first two rotary buffer steps, there's a good chance you wont be as energetic as you were when your first started, that is you may be a little tired, yet you still have a long a number of steps to do.

If you're buffing out a car for a customer, you have to pretty much do it all in one day, I know a few guys the are able to spread one car out over two days and charge for both days.

If you're only working on your one car and you don't have to put the car back onto the street any time soon, you can take your time and finish the process at your leisure.

If you have to put the car back into service that day or the next day, then you can do a section at at time, performing the entire process to the section so that when you put the car back into service, the areas you have buffed are also polished and waxed.

So it's somewhat true that a rotary buffer is just as safe and easy to use as a dual action polisher in the context of holding the tool and moving it over the panel, but in the context of tackling what I call a complete, that is taking on a car that has a horrible finish and needs a multiple-step process performed starting with the compound process using a rotary buffer with the goal of producing a true show car finish, (I don't know what other full-time Professional Detailers call it), then I would say that the answer is No, a rotary buffer is not as easy to use as a dual action polisher or even an orbital buffer.

It's a lot of work to take a diamond in the rough and turn it into a glistening gemstone starting with a rotary buffer.



Swirls throughout the finish of this 1963 black Corvette Stingray
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After wiping down and claying and before taping off.

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Extensively taped-off. At this stage the finish had been rotary buffed twice and then wiped down in preparation for final polishing with the dual action polisher.
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End results

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And then it's alway nice to have 30 plus Corvette owners on hand to inspect the result in bright sunlight the next day...

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Thank you for that explanation, Mike. As a Newbie to the art of Paint Correction and one who just ordered over $600.00 worth of stuff from AUTOGEEK because of your "20% off deal" a week ago, I look forward to putting all your information to good use.

Thank-you again. :dblthumb2:
 
I should have made this a poll to start with...................while many of the responses to the post are in favor of 3M Green Auto tape, most pictures I have seen on line that show polishing, "in-process", seem to be using Scotch Blue Painter's tape. (OK, I'll try to make it a poll! :) )

From the empirical evidence/comments, I guess it doesn't make that much difference.

One apparent conclusion though, about the 3M Blue Painter's tape for delicate/faux finishes, is that it doesn't stick well enough to smooth surfaces. Hence, not so good for automotive polishing.

See ya
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In a flyer for a Department Store up here in Canada, there is an Ad for Scotch Brand "Blue" Tape... and the description says that it's unaffected by the Sun if left out for 3 days and removes without any residue left behind.

It's also on Sale this week... so I will buy a few Rolls of them.
 
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