A topic that has been beaten to DEATH - ONR vs. N-914

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I don't know why it has taken me so long to get on with a rinseless wash solution, but it has! I've been using Meguiar's Ultimate Waterless Was for quite a bit this year with much success, I would say...but I usually go through quite a good part of the bottle because I want to make sure I really saturate everything. I park outside and when it rains the trees somehow leave this green residue that sometimes doesn't easily come off with a swipe of the solution, and I hate to rub the stuff; I prefer to make a single pass with a clean side of the towel.

The question(s) I have regarding these two products really has to do no so much with the cleaning ability but how they will interact (or not) with the LSPs I have. My understanding is that ONR leaves behind some kind of polymer coating (for lack of a better word), and that N-914 does not do that, however the N-914 may not be quite as versatile in other applications as the ONR and that it may not pick up as much grime as it either.

Disclosure - I'm a little a year into having applied CQUK 3.0 and have topped that with HCW, and then every so often when I just feel like smelling it I use Ultimate Quik Wax. Would using these rinseless products somehow interfere with or alter the layers of stuff already on the car? Does it even matter?

I feel as if this forum is split 3 ways, almost evenly, between ONR, N-914 and Uber Rinseless, with members preferring each for their own reasons. I'm only really taking car of my car mostly, so I don't need to be stocking up on all these products...but you know the nerd it me wants it ALL.
 
For me it's Griot's Garage Brillant Shine rinseless wash for PURE clean and when I wanna clean AND add gloss AND protection its CarPro Ech20, this is for RW's only.

I could muddy the water and add Feynlab for PURE cleaning but the ratio has to be followed VERY closely due to its strong cleaning ability. Basically 1.5 ounce in 3 gallons of water is enough and if your LSP is on its "last legs" this ratio here "could" strip it. A good coating on the other hand, well, your ok here.

This could be an epic thread

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You’re already topping the CQUK so what the difference? I use rinseless on my coated cars 90% of the time from spring thru early winter and the polymers left behind in any of the rinseless options are far less then HCW or theMegs Quick Wax and doesn’t impact the hydrophobics.

To dive down this rabbit hole you need to ask does a rinseless wash add anymore to the coating than a traditional wash? How is one actually going to measure it? It sounds like you enjoy topping your UK so just have fun,experiment if you want but keeping the coating clean is helpful and 1ounce of ONR in 2 gallons of water isn’t going to add anything substantial
 
I find that sales are a good time to try new WW’s. I’ll buy a small bottle, then a gallon if I really like it.

Right now I’m working on a gallon of Pinnacle WW. It works great as a rinseless (1 oz/gal). My usual routine is a RW with a pre-treat spray at QD strength.
 
I find N-914 superior to ONR in every aspect but scent. ONR smells better. I only use N-914 for rinseless washes now.
 
I usually use Uber SiO2 Rinseless but also like N-914 periodically for a stronger clean. Even if I don’t wash with Uber for a few weeks, the car without a coating still beads well so there is some decent protection when used regularly.
 
Between ONR & N914, I prefer N914 all day. I also get where you’re coming from and like to try different products out, as I think most of us do. Rinseless washes that I use are D114, N914, ADG Wipeout, ADG Fuzion, ech20, WG Uber, McKee’s Si02. They all have a place, at least that’s what I tell my wife. But really I just like having options.
 
I appreciate the input, everyone. Thanks!

Side note - was thinking of using these products with distilled water instead of tap water. Would that make any difference?
 
ONR works better with distilled water per Dr. G.

I love Griot's RW. Flashes fast and leave zero behind.

They are all great but each has their unique feel to them. According to Yvan what makes ONR unique is that it's "zwitterionic". Are the others? Don't know and don't know if it matters.

Forensic Detailing Channel did a scratch test between ONR, Megs and a few others (not Griot's) and ONR produced the least amount of scratches. That could be why ONR is a tad more streaky as it contains more polymers. Just a guess.

"The polymers in No Rinse have reactive groups that bond and trap dirt particles making the dirt particles virtually non-abrasive. They also bond to oily particles and emulsify them into water. The latter is equivalent to the cleaning action from soaps which also work by emulsifying oil particles into water. However, with soap there is no interaction with dirt. This is why adding No Rinse to a regular wash also helps protect the paint from dirt particles."

"Softer water cooperates well with ONR. ONR's actives bond to the minerals of hard waters, therefore you may add more ONR to harder waters. DI/distilled water have no such minerals and the cleaning/protecting power of ONR can be exploited without weakening. These kind of waters will feel slimier than tap water."
 
vaca22 said:
I appreciate the input, everyone. Thanks!

Side note - was thinking of using these products with distilled water instead of tap water. Would that make any difference?
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I use warm tap water. But I also don't store my solution, I get the bucket ready for a rinseless wash and then use it, whatever is left I pour and rinse the bucket before storing. If I were to store the solution like some people do, I'd use distilled water.
 
Because of this thread I enjoyed my Ech2o RW this morning greatly

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I like N-914 and if i were to stick with just one this would be it. Uber second, ONR 3rd.

Right now I use a rotation of Griots BFRW, Ech20, fenylab pure and 914.

When i want a deep clean and reapply an LsP, Pure.

Just get a good LsP clean and let it do it’s thang, 914 and GBFRW.

Added some gloss.... Ech20.

May favorite way to wash w/o a bucket is a pre soak with Ech20 and then followed up with an Ammo Frothe foaming waterless.


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I was thinking of trying Ech20 but i'm not sure I like the idea that it leaves Sio2 behind.
 
NJNinja said:
I was thinking of trying Ech20 but i'm not sure I like the idea that it leaves Sio2 behind.
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It also adds some nice gloss and doesn’t attract dust like many “gloss enhancers”. Ech20 flashes faster than ONR or the N914 so when it’s hot/humid I tend not to use it, also makes a nice waterless wash at 1/15 or 20 and leaves a nice matte look on interior plastics. We really live in the golden age for detailing, plenty of choices and solid products.
 
vobro said:
It also adds some nice gloss and doesn’t attract dust like many “gloss enhancers”. Ech20 flashes faster than ONR or the N914 so when it’s hot/humid I tend not to use it, also makes a nice waterless wash at 1/15 or 20 and leaves a nice matte look on interior plastics. We really live in the golden age for detailing, plenty of choices and solid products.
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I need to give Ech20 a try. Sounds like it might be something I like.
 
Ended up with a BRS and ONR, had fun assembling a new bucket with a grit guard and a couple of gallons of distilled water. I filled a spray bottle with a little bit of the mix as a pre-soak. My car wasn't dirty at all, jusy covered in those yellow-green water spots. I was surprised to see how quickly the solution loosened up the stains, I don't think the Ultimate Waterless was able to do it as effectively.

I don't have the best drying towel but it's not trash either, it was pretty soaked by the time I was done. I wondered how much of the 2 gallons would be used, I was surprised to see that about half was gone after I was done. I must have left a good amount in the sponge, I thought that having more in the sponge would be better than having less.

All in all, I was pretty pleased with the experience! I don't have my technique down but it'll be fun figuring that out going forward.

Is using the same ratio for the wash good enough for the pre-soak, or should I make it a little stronger?
 
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