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so i purchased it because it looked interesting, like a good way to keep up an lsp without having to go with a polish every time. supposed to clean and glaze, simple enough.

followed the directions and put 3-4 dime size dots, and worked the area, and when you go to remove its like the product isntantly dries to a tough shell on the paint.

i've tried all kinds of things. more product, less product, more speed, less speed.

tried to wipe off hard and then tried to use m34 as a wipeoff helping product, and that wouldn't even touch it, i know its just the product on it, because putting it on by hand will give streaks in a different direction but same results, it WILL NOT come off at all.

i think the closest i've gotten to getting it off was letting the pad go nearly completely dry, but then that left micro hazing, from the little bits of product left on it. i opted to just go back over it with m205 to get rid of it.





does anybody have any tips about this product? feel like some wasted dollars here because there seems to be no way to get this product to really work like it states. it should be very simple though.


using LC black 5.5 pad on a PC 7424xp, speed 3.5 mostly, working in passes until it looks hazed/clear on black paint.
 
What worked for me was allowing it to dry on the paint. Like I let it sit for an hour or two then it was super easy to remove. I know this goes against the directions but oh well, it worked. Of course YMMV but its worth a shot.
 
Hopefully Mike will have some advise. It could be a bad batch or maybe there's an easy solution. I'm sure you'd like this resolved asap, and if you figure it out in the mean-time, please let us know what worked for you.
 
expdetailing said:
Hopefully Mike will have some advise. It could be a bad batch or maybe there's an easy solution. I'm sure you'd like this resolved asap, and if you figure it out in the mean-time, please let us know what worked for you.
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i don't think it would be a bad batch, i purchased it about 3 weeks ago and i'm sure we might have heard something else about it if it was. maybe i'll make a video and we can see if nothing else comes up.

dpk20x said:
What worked for me was allowing it to dry on the paint. Like I let it sit for an hour or two then it was super easy to remove. I know this goes against the directions but oh well, it worked. Of course YMMV but its worth a shot.
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i understand the theory behind leaving it sit, but the residue on the paint isn't even oily or smearing. it looks like it's purely just dried residue, and you can see the product flash super quick when you make a pass. almost as soon as you pass over an area the product has flashed and youll be able to remove maybe 30% of it most of the way, but the whole area looks hazy. this is after doing a complete correction on a test spot with m105-m205.
 
There are 2 solutions:

1. Use much less. Yes this product can be hard to wipe off. You have to use it very sparingly....If you prime a pad with this stuff - forget it. It will just smear and be hard to get off.

I'd recommend priming the pad with DI water and use very little. That is what works for me.

2. Use by hand. This product seems to me like it may be better used by hand until you've past the learning curve. Use very sparingly and you should have almost nothing to wipe off when your done. If you see haze - you used too much and the haze is a PIA to get off...Remember - it's not a wax.

I've use this product both ways with success after the learning curve.
 
Looking at the directions, it says to: " to work product into paint using an overlapping motion until haze starts to form. Immediately remove residue using a soft, dry microfiber towel."

Hope this helps rather than annoys.
 
swanicyouth said:
There are 2 solutions:

1. Use much less. Yes this product can be hard to wipe off. You have to use it very sparingly....If you prime a pad with this stuff - forget it. It will just smear and be hard to get off.

I'd recommend priming the pad with DI water and use very little. That is what works for me.

2. Use by hand. This product seems to me like it may be better used by hand until you've past the learning curve. Use very sparingly and you should have almost nothing to wipe off when your done. If you see haze - you used too much and the haze is a PIA to get off...Remember - it's not a wax.

I've use this product both ways with success after the learning curve.
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that was about as close to being "ok" as it got with it, was using it and spreading it out until there was barely any left, but what was left over wasn't an enhanced gloss, but a very thin film of the product instead. i may try doing just one dime size dab for a 2x2 area and see how it goes, but i'm pretty skeptical at this point.

i'll try priming with DI water or megs 34 and see what happens when using very little... i want this product to work so badly but it's crazy hard to get right for some reason, wonder why mike P has never made a video on how to use this one, i've seen all sorts of other ones using the SRC compounds but not this one.


Looking at the directions, it says to: " to work product into paint using an overlapping motion until haze starts to form. Immediately remove residue using a soft, dry microfiber towel."

Hope this helps rather than annoys.
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hah, i was about to choke the bottle out for saying that, its pretty vague about what a "haze" is for this product, because it dries so quick when its thinly applied.
 
I actually had the same issue this week. Just picked up a bottle from AG. Perhaps I was using too much like one of the others mentioned. I can't say I saw much of a difference from the "unpolished" panels. Probably the first time I've been disappointed in a BF product.
 
I just purchased 2 bottles and I don't like it. I tried it by machine, by hand, and don't like the results. On the other hand, Wolfgang gloss enhancing polish works great and the results are amazing. I will stick with Wolfgang.
 
Maybe you could use it for the undercarriage before winter comes, or use it to seal envelopes.
 
I stopped using that stuff because it seemed to reduce the durability of the BFWD.
 
So whats everyone doing with their bottles? I am 9 days too late in trying the product to be eligible for returning it , sheesh

I suppose I could try a few more different approaches, but if its this finicky and difficult to get right, I doubt it would be worth the hassle of insoecting every inch of every panel to make sure it worked
 
I used it on my girlfriend's black Mercedes. I was pleased with the result. Good swirl free glossy finish. Used white pad and used very sparingly. No issues and buffed off effortlessly. It was a sample and didn't even use the full 2 oz. Topped with Sonax liquid wax that I had. I'm a hobbyist.
 
From what it sounds like you may have "worked the product" too long.

BLACKFIRE Gloss Enhancing Polish is a pre-wax cleaner with a built in glaze. It's not designed to remove embedded dirt as much as a pre-wax polish without a glaze (ie: Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer), so there's no need to work it for more than 3 passes on a DA polisher. This product is flexible in its application - you can remove the residue immediately, or if it makes it easier (depends on the paint), let it dry to a haze for a few minutes, and then remove.

Any time you have difficulty removing a polish, simply apply a tad more to the area and it will wipe off without a struggle.

I'll work on putting together a how-to guide for BLACKFIRE Gloss Enhancing Polish. :dblthumb2:
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
From what it sounds like you may have "worked the product" too long.

BLACKFIRE Gloss Enhancing Polish is a pre-wax cleaner with a built in glaze. It's not designed to remove embedded dirt as much as a pre-wax polish without a glaze (ie: Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer), so there's no need to work it for more than 3 passes on a DA polisher. This product is flexible in its application - you can remove the residue immediately, or if it makes it easier (depends on the paint), let it dry to a haze for a few minutes, and then remove.

Any time you have difficulty removing a polish, simply apply a tad more to the area and it will wipe off without a struggle.

I'll work on putting together a how-to guide for BLACKFIRE Gloss Enhancing Polish. :dblthumb2:
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Hi nick. I did try these things, something I also tried to see if it was working time was apply some by hand for a few seconds and the residue on the paint was still very hard to remove, its hard to explain other than saying it looks like a hazy white surface that you can rub away with a finger, even applying more to it did nothing to remove the layer that was still there.
 
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