Another what coating choice (two metallic black cars)

[Texchappy]

Next month, I’ll be doing decon washes on the Maverick and aNavigator. I imagine the CQUK is still good (and performance bears that out). However, the CanCoat on the Lincoln is not performing and after 28 months I assume it’s gone. I also want to finally coat my Astro black MINI convertible. I’d like a coating I can do both with. Btw, the Lincoln is Tuxedo black. Here’s the priority…

1. Appearance
2. Ease of use (especially if it means just one application of the product)
3. Durability (probably 2-3 years from now we’ll be trading in the Lincoln and the mini is a garage queen)

 

[Klasse Act]

ADS Quartz will get you 2-3 years but Bradley told me I'll get 1 yr from their Phobic spray coating, I'm using it as a spring/fall "booster" but it's a stand alone

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[Texchappy]

Just as a reference, I have the primer coatings for Carpro, Gyeon, and DIY App. I have the panel prep for Carpro, Gyeon, and ADS.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

ADS Quartz will get you 2-3 years but Bradley told me I'll get 1 yr from their Phobic spray coating

Really, only 1 year on the Phobic? In their intro video they were saying they could have made Phobic the new Quartz, but instead decided to bring it out as a different product, so I'm surprise they are (now?) saying only 1 year. That's making me sorry I bought it instead of the Quartz...sort of.

 

[Texchappy]

Really, only 1 year on the Phobic? In their intro video they were saying they could have made Phobic the new Quartz, but instead decided to bring it out as a different product, so I'm surprise they are (now?) saying only 1 year. That's making me sorry I bought it instead of the Quartz...sort of.

Yeah, hoping to get at least 2 years out of whatever I put on so I don’t have to go through all the prep once more.

 

[Klasse Act]

Really, only 1 year on the Phobic? In their intro video they were saying they could have made Phobic the new Quartz, but instead decided to bring it out as a different product, so I'm surprise they are (now?) saying only 1 year. That's making me sorry I bought it instead of the Quartz...sort of.

He told me straight up the way I maintain my car I'd get I year out of Phobics but the plus side is it's easier to apply

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[Texchappy]

He told me straight up the way I maintain my car I'd get I year out of Phobics but the plus side is it's easier to apply

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Asked over on their facebook group, Bradley answered: if it’s prepped right, and applied like a traditional coating, 2 years maybe more if maintained well. You can apply multiple layers as well to extend durability a bit.

 

[Klasse Act]

Asked over on their facebook group, Bradley answered: if it’s prepped right, and applied like a traditional coating, 2 years maybe more if maintained well. You can apply multiple layers as well to extend durability a bit.

Their customer service is truely amazing, I say go for it! I'm looking forward to applying it as a stand alone on the TAOS and as a booster on the EN

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[Setec Astronomy]

That's why I bought it, easier application. It's coming back to me, didn't they say 1 year if you spray and buff, 2 years if you apply it with an applicator like a regular coating? (running off to ADS website...) It just says "real world 1-2 years" on the ADS website.

(wrote this before the last 2 posts)

 

[Texchappy]

How much easier would the phobic be to the Quartz? Especially if I apply an extra layer? Wonder what the difference in durability would be between the two if applied optimally for each?

 

[Klasse Act]

How much easier would the phobic be to the Quartz? Especially if I apply an extra layer? Wonder what the difference in durability would be between the two if applied optimally for each?

Sorry but I haven't applied Phobic yet but because it's a spray I'm thinking similar to CanCoat

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[Texchappy]

Know DIY doesn’t seem to be held in the highest esteem here, but Quartz vs DIY 5 year?

 

[Klasse Act]

Know DIY doesn’t seem to be held in the highest esteem here, but Quartz vs DIY 5 year?

ADS Quartz has 2 levels of coating themselves, I got the regular Quartz and I know this, it's going to live an easy life

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[Setec Astronomy]

Know DIY doesn’t seem to be held in the highest esteem here, but Quartz vs DIY 5 year?

I think the problems with DIY are just with the personalities, not the products. That said, ADS has made a point to say their durability estimates are "real world" not the "blue sky" numbers of other coating suppliers.

 

[Klasse Act]

I think the problems with DIY are just with the personalities, not the products. That said, ADS has made a point to say their durability estimates are "real world" not the "blue sky" numbers of other coating suppliers.

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[Setec Astronomy]

ADS Quartz has 2 levels of coating themselves, I got the regular Quartz

Well they have the consumer Quartz and the PRO Quartz, the PRO you have to take a test before they will sell it to you. But you don't have to be a pro like for some other coatings, you just have to talk like a pro...well, something like that.

In all seriousness, what I'm saying is you don't have to have a TIN and liability insurance to get the pro coating, you just have to convince Bradley you have some experience applying coatings.

 

[Texchappy]

Well they have the consumer Quartz and the PRO Quartz, the PRO you have to take a test before they will sell it to you. But you don't have to be a pro like for some other coatings, you just have to talk like a pro...well, something like that.

In all seriousness, what I'm saying is you don't have to have a TIN and liability insurance to get the pro coating, you just have to convince Bradley you have some experience applying coatings.

Saw that but I’m not sure I trust myself with anything even remotely called ‘pro’.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Saw that but I’m not sure I trust myself with anything even remotely called ‘pro’.

I imagine it's just got a higher solids content so it's going to give you more of a high spot if you mess up. At least that's the way it was in the old days with Opti-Coat Pro and Opti-Coat 2.0 (the consumer version), the 2.0 had twice as much solvent in it or something, so it would level out to half the thickness or so of the Pro coating, making it less durable but more forgiving on the application. BTW it took a whole lot of wrangling to get that info out of Chris Thomas back in the day on the OPT forum (what the actual difference was between the pro and consumer versions of Opti-Coat).

 

[Klasse Act]

The ADS Quartz, non Pro, didn't crystallize my applicator at all...well until the next day, with Pro you've gotta have multiple applicators because it's fast acting, it's 2 different products for sure, depends on your needs and learning curve IMO

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[Optimus Grime]

I think the problems with DIY are just with the personalities, not the products. That said, ADS has made a point to say their durability estimates are "real world" not the "blue sky" numbers of other coating suppliers.

Here’s where I gotta disagree. I don’t think Yvan is as bad as people make him out to be but there is a lot of double speak and contradictions in his former and current videos. As someone that details for money I can’t trust a lot of their products, especially when it comes to durability claims. I put them in the same boat as Adam’s whose products that I have used I’ve liked. But, both companies have outrageous durability claims and if someone is paying damn near $1000 I need to be sure that the product I’m applying will consistently get the results that are promised.

Let’s take Ceramic Gloss and Quick Beads. For both products Yvan has said that you can get between 3 and 12 months of durability. Trusted detailing brands; CarPro, ADS, Gyeon, etc. all mention that their sealants can get between 3-6 months of durability (I’ve seen this in the real world from multiple brands) and their spray on sealants can get up to 3 months of durability. These are tried and true products from these companies yet DIY comes along and their claims are double everyone else yet no one seems to ever actually achieve close to what they promise.

Let’s look at DIY’s 5 year coating and why I don’t trust it. I’ve tried coatings from several brands and the coatings that seem to have the ability to truly get around 5 years have one thing in common, they’re all high solids coatings. P&S Legend & Stout, ADS Quartz Pro and CCI Advanced (my personal premium option) all fall into this category. The ceramic content is much higher than your typical coating and you’ll find that they’re all very viscous and syrupy for lack of a better word. They go on thick and are a bit grabby to remove although I’m finding the newer products are making the leveling step much easier. I don’t think the DIY 5 or 8 year coatings fall into the high solids category. I think ADS Quartz is right at the threshold for being a high solids coating and ADS still only promises 3+ years of durability. Numbers like that I can trust. 5 and 8 years I can’t.

Brands geared towards professionals use durability claims that describe their effective coating life which is a measure of how long you should expect the coating should perform at a high level and then you should start to see a tapering of it’s hydrophobics and gloss. Consumer focused brands like Adam’s, McKee’s and I’d add DIY to this list seem to use durability rating that measure how long a coating lasts until it’s completely gone which is deceptive in my opinion.

A bit longwinded but my two cents on the issue.