Any one have any experience with nano coatings?

[chris.ganucheau]

Have any of y'all used Nano Coatings on your car???? I'm thinking of trying some out. (I won't mention the brand since auto geek doesn't sell it). But i'm very interested in picking some up for when i detail my car next month. With school about to start up again I won't have the time to properly care for my car each weekend so I want a semi permanent coating an really like the looks of the Nano coating.

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Thanks!

 

[BlackHawk]

22ple- amazingly easy to apply and shines beautifully. Not to mention a 20ml bottle will do lots of cars.

 

[chris.ganucheau]

22ple- amazingly easy to apply and shines beautifully. Not to mention a 20ml bottle will do lots of cars.

22ple is a nano coating?!?! I've always loved the way it looks, I will definitely be looking into that!

 

[Tinwhiskers]

22ple is super easy to apply and looks great. All nano coatings have a funky feel to them so don't expect a slick surface. In my opinion 22ple is worse than others. I really like GTechniq C1 as well which is almost as easy to use and looks great. Plus GTechniq has some of the most amazing sheeting I've ever seen.

One tip is check your work in every light source possible and at every angle. I learned this the hard way with my first coating and found a couple of spots I missed the next day. Nothing sucks more than polishing off your hard work and doing it all over again.

 

[Rsurfer]

22ple is super easy to apply and looks great. All nano coatings have a funky feel to them so don't expect a slick surface. In my opinion 22ple is worse than others. I really like GTechniq C1 as well which is almost as easy to use and looks great. Plus GTechniq has some of the most amazing sheeting I've ever seen.

One tip is check your work in every light source possible and at every angle. I learned this the hard way with my first coating and found a couple of spots I missed the next day. Nothing sucks more than polishing off your hard work and doing it all over again.

Wolf's Hard Body is slick.

 

[Tinwhiskers]

Wolf's Hard Body is slick.

Wolf's Hard Body is super slick and looks great BUT I (like a lot of others) didn't see anywhere near the durability it claims. After a couple of months beading and looks were gone.

I know you're supposed to only use Wolfs nano wash on it but I hate that game. How great is a coating if Zaino's wash or any other mild car wash messes with its abilities? 22ple doesn't seem to care which soap you use.

 

[Rsurfer]

Wolf's Hard Body is super slick and looks great BUT I (like a lot of others) didn't see anywhere near the durability it claims. After a couple of months beading and looks were gone.

I know you're supposed to only use Wolfs nano wash on it but I hate that game. How great is a coating if Zaino's wash or any other mild car wash messes with its abilities? 22ple doesn't seem to care which soap you use.

Been on my paint for 6 months, still super slick, beads are not as tight, but still good and I don't use their soap. I have used a lot of sealants and coating and nothing comes close in slickness then Hard Body. Most sealants loose their slickness after a month and most coatings are not slick at all.

 

[FUNX650]

I'm thinking of trying some out. (I won't mention the brand since auto geek doesn't sell it).

It would be interesting to see just how "nano" these nano-coatings that you're thinking about trying out really are.

-I do understand why you're averse to listing their names...
But...Surely AGO won't mind...Just no links is my understanding.
(Just look at all of the recent review-threads that showcase non-AGO products.)

Feed back please...Thanks.



Bob

 

[chris.ganucheau]

Ok since others have already posted the name i'll name it. Ive been thinking about trying out wolf's hard body. Ive looked up some reviews of the coating an it looks amazing. I don't have a problem using their wash and they have a qd that is supposed to boost it.

 

[Tinwhiskers]

Been on my paint for 6 months, still super slick, beads are not as tight, but still good and I don't use their soap. I have used a lot of sealants and coating and nothing comes close in slickness then Hard Body. Most sealants loose their slickness after a month and most coatings are not slick at all.

Yep, it is super slick but unfortunately I just didn't get great durability with it. I polished and prepped my wife's Audi Q5 and applied three layers over Wolf's Shine and Seal hoping it would last through last winter. I remember being amazed at first because the car was slick and the beads were super tight. But it soon went to hell and the beading diminished and there was absolutely nothing left on the side panels after a couple of months of salt spray from our winter roads. Maybe our winter driving is too harsh? :dunno:

It would be interesting to see just how "nano" these nano-coatings that you're thinking about trying out really are.

-I do understand why you're averse to listing their names...
But...Surely AGO won't mind...Just no links is my understanding.
(Just look at all of the recent review-threads that showcase non-AGO products.)

Feed back please...Thanks.



Bob

Good question. These products come out with a lot of hype but no real science backing them up. The only product that I might believe in what it claims is Permanon. I only say this because there was an article about it in one of my industry trade journals, Metal Finishing, which tells me it might be more than just marketing.

One question I always had was if these nano coatings were so much harder and better than clear, why aren't car manufacturers using them? Are we really going to believe that 22ple who doesn't even have a website knows more than DuPont or PPG?

 

[chris.ganucheau]

The price isn't bad an I like using products you don't hear much about. (yes i know its probably because AGO doesn't sell it too). I've also heard great things about the Wolf's Chemical line of products and want to try it out.

 

[psnt1ol]

The price isn't bad an I like using products you don't hear much about. (yes i know its probably because AGO doesn't sell it too). I've also heard great things about the Wolf's Chemical line of products and want to try it out.

I don't think AGO will mind regarding the discussions with Wolf's Chemical.... Autopia Car Care (sister store) has it.

 

[Tinwhiskers]

The price isn't bad an I like using products you don't hear much about. (yes i know its probably because AGO doesn't sell it too). I've also heard great things about the Wolf's Chemical line of products and want to try it out.

It's all over other forums if you want to research it more. One thing that has not been mentioned yet is it is even easier to apply than any nano coating like GTechniq or 22ple and a lot more user friendly. It's not the same type of coating were if you miss removing a spot, you'll be polishing it off to fix it.

 

[chris.ganucheau]

It's all over other forums if you want to research it more. One thing that has not been mentioned yet is it is even easier to apply than any nano coating like GTechniq or 22ple and a lot more user friendly. It's not the same type of coating were if you miss removing a spot, you'll be polishing it off to fix it.

Yea I'm probably going to be ordering some tomorrow along with their wash and quick detailer.

 

[AeroCleanse]

I have used both GTechniq C1, GTechniq EXO and Opti-Guard

 

[PiPUK]

It would be interesting to see just how "nano" these nano-coatings that you're thinking about trying out really are.

-I do understand why you're averse to listing their names...
But...Surely AGO won't mind...Just no links is my understanding.
(Just look at all of the recent review-threads that showcase non-AGO products.)

Feed back please...Thanks.



Bob

I have had several little 'rants' about this. My interpretation is that there are examples where those writing the marketing either are mistaken in their understanding or understand fully but have motivation to inform users differently.

If it looks different, behaves different, feels different and costs different to all the other products out there, one would be tempted to question whether a product can be accurately characterised the same as other nano products.

The reality is that I can provide your a large number of months, if not upwards of years, of hydrophobic performance with simple chemical technologies. No need for nano. The cost is considerably less, the surface slickness is better and the products are quite insensitive to surfactants, bases and solvents. Why would you want nano added!? The nano products we have looked at give another level beyond this, giving performance and durability more like OC than anything else I can think of.

 

[allenk4]

Nano, Nano

If all of this is true, where can I get some Nano

"The benefits of the product being formed of smaller particles are numerous:

1.The smoother surface relects (sp) light more evenly and therefore removes the visibility of swirl marks

2.The tighter packed particles provide a better more protective barrier i.e less gaps for anything else to penetrate

3.The smaller particles adhere better to the surface and will potentially stay on the surface longer

4.Reduction of smears and white residues

5.In car scratch removers the smaller particles work more effectively and vast reduce chances of finer scratches being produced during polishing process

6.In rain repellents the particles can bond deeper into the glass and provide a tougher longer lasting protection.".

What is Nano Technology & how does it Work in Car Care Products?

Not exactly from NSF Summer Institute on Nanomechanics, Nanomaterials, and Micro/Nanomanufacturing


If some of the coatings claim to establish a chemical bond with the surface, would a nano sized particle even make a difference?

If the bond I mechanical, I could see that nano could allow the coating to get a "deeper grip" on the paint. But how much difference would that make?

 

[allenk4]

The quoted material above is clearly not my personal thoughts or my grammar

1. If nano whatever fills the swirls, but is optically clear, would you still see the swirl?

4. How does nano reduce smears & white residues?

 

[FUNX650]

Nano, Nano
...where can I get some Nano

If some of the coatings claim to establish a chemical bond with the surface, would a nano sized particle even make a difference?

If the bond I mechanical, I could see that nano could allow the coating to get a "deeper grip" on the paint. But how much difference would that make?

Are these "nanos", that you're talking about, manufactured using top-down fabrication; or, bottom-up synthesis?


Bob

 

[2shiny]

I have used Wolf's Chemicals bodywrap and the new bodyguard on multiple cars, including my own and after 1 year they are still going strong.
I use other shampoo's, just avoid the ones with gloss enhancers of wax in them as these hide the coating, and people say the coating has failed... NOT
Just occasionally put a little APC in the wash bucket or even better, Carpro Reset. This is the only shampoo I have been using on it and it's still going strong