APC as a stripper

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Hi all..

I accidentally sprayed Meg APC on a spot on my car thinking it was ONR mix..
( please don't rip me..lol)

Anyway..it looks like it stripped my LSP off, which was WG Liquid Seal with a few coats of MEG D156...because when I spayed water on it ..the water just stuck on it without running off

My question...

1) Can an APC strip all kinds of waxes off and be safe?

2) If yes, what dilution ratio can be used?

Thxs
Mike
 
In all likelihood the APC has just left some surfactant residue on the surface. Try rinsing the spot very well and going over it with a damp MF a couple times. You can ramp it up and use some IPA as well. Chances are good that your beading will return.

To the question of safe APC, there are too many variables with the chemical make up of the LSP vs. the APC. Someone on here did some bench testing a while back and found that it was very difficult to strip BFWD and Menz. Powerlock. I'm pretty sure the result was: alkaline APC did not strip at normal dilution, but acidic APC did strip at normal dilution.
 
Well, conventional wisdom is yes, you stripped your LSP. As Audios stated, some members have postulated that it is very difficult to strip sealants, and that the hydrophobic surface of the sealant may become contaminated by surfactants in the cleaning agent, rendering it temporarily hydrophilic.

But more to your question, certainly APC's can be used to strip waxes (although many "waxes" are not, or are hybrid products), the most important thing to consider if you are trying to do this is to not let the product dry on the paint. I think OPC might be considered the "safest" APC on paint.
 
mikesal57 said:
Hi all..

I accidentally sprayed Meg APC on a spot on my car thinking it was ONR mix..
Anyway..it looks like it stripped my LSP off,


My question...

1) Can an APC strip all kinds of waxes off and be safe?
2)a. If yes,

^^^If the WG-Liquid Seal and D156 was indeed stripped-off by the Meg's APC...^^^
Then:

2)b. what dilution ratio can be used?

^^^What was the dilution ratio of the Meg's APC that was initially (and mistakenly) used?^^^
That, IMO, would be a good starting point.


Thxs
Mike
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:)

Bob
 
After all the discussion about stripping and some claiming it is difficult it is even with a ph13 soap we need to agree on the method to actually prove it.
 
Bunky said:
After all the discussion about stripping and some claiming it is difficult it is even with a ph13 soap

we need to agree on the method to actually prove it.
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An Abstract:
Parameters for "stripping" LSP's through "Abrasive Actions"

1. How much "abrasive-action" would it take to remove/strip:
a.) ~ 0.000007 inches...of a given Wax/Sealant-LSP?
b.) ~ 0.000078 inches...of a given Coating-LSP?

2. What are the required tools/products needed...for positive indication...
that LSP's have been removed/stripped via "abrasive-action"?
a.) EPTG
b.) Other

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
:)

Bob
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Bob..my APC was 1:1
I was using that ratio for my tires/wheels

Anyway...next week , I will begin my winter prep here in NYC
I plan on polishing to get off ALL the WG Liquid Seal and D156 using Meg 205
Then I need to get off the 205 residue using an IPA

Can I use the APC that I have instead of IPA??

Wash
Then off to seal and wax again...

Mike
 
You have to find out if YOUR APC is paint safe. Most are not. Only one I know that is is Sonus All In 1. If it doesn't say it can be used on paint, user beware.
 
Dawn or other dish washing detergents have been mentioned to remove LSPs. I tried it as a wash before claying for my winter prep but the water still seemed to bead or cascade off the surface. I proceeded to seal the paint regardless, because I was using Optiseal which is supposed to be able to permeate a waxed surface and then relayer itself, though I don't see how. Finished product looks and feels great and appears well protected. The surface seems to be more hydrophobic than with wax alone, however, I do plan to wax over the sealant for the appearance I prefer.

Thanks and be well............elliot
 
michelliot said:
Dawn or other dish washing detergents have been mentioned to remove LSPs.
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If you search a bit you will see that my view is that this is one of the worst myths in detailing. A bit like a mechanic telling you that painted stripes makes your vehicle go faster.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Well, conventional wisdom is yes, you stripped your LSP. As Audios stated, some members have postulated that it is very difficult to strip sealants, and that the hydrophobic surface of the sealant may become contaminated by surfactants in the cleaning agent, rendering it temporarily hydrophilic.

But more to your question, certainly APC's can be used to strip waxes (although many "waxes" are not, or are hybrid products), the most important thing to consider if you are trying to do this is to not let the product dry on the paint. I think OPC might be considered the "safest" APC on paint.
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Before I bought OPC I read about its various uses, and according to the Optimum Forum, it can be used to strip an LSP:

Power Clean to Strip LSP - Optimum Powerclean - Optimum Forum
 
According to Optimum, you can use OPC on paint. Sonus All in 1 is a much better value, as it strips carnauba wax at 30:1.
 
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