Applying a Poly Sealant over Carnauba Wax?

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Ok this may be a stupid question to most, and unfortunately I cannot find the answer in this forum. Is it ok to apply a Poly Sealant over Carnauba Wax?

I use both but I have never used both together, the reason behind this question is Old School vs New School. My father wants me to do his black BMW M6 and is an avid Carnauba fan. I agree with him that the deep warm gloss is unmatched but doesn't offer nearly the length of protectiveness as the poly sealants.

So as I cannot be the only one to question, can you get that same warmth and gloss in carnauba by applying a coat or two of poly sealant over it? Any feedback as usual is greatly appreciated.Feed back please
 
I'd use it the other way around - sealant first for protection, then wax on top for look.
 
Sealant always first. Sealants bond to the paint while waxes simpley sit on the paint. Therefore a sealant won't be able to bond to the paint if applied over wax.
Simple answer: no it will be a waste of product.
Hope this helps.
 
Immensely, but will you get that same warmth and deepness especially on a black paint through the paint sealant? If not then I dont see the point.
 
Yes. A good wax will add the warmth and wet look to the paint. The best sealant that adds wetness to the paint is powerlock. Awesome stuff. I always do a sealant and wax on my customer cars.
 
Yeah your wax is only as good as what's under it. So with that being said if you put a sealant on top of a wax it would wear off with the wax and never bond to the paint. Defeating the purpose of the lasting protection of a sealant.
 
I'm gonna think a bit outside of the box here--you can use a wipe-on/walk-away sealant like Zaino Clear Seal or Optimum Opti-Seal on top of wax and make it last longer. It also changes the look of the wax, for better or worse.

I've never tried to put a traditional sealant on top of wax, but I bet it might work ok with a hybrid wax like Fuzion or Supernatural Hybrid. I'm intrigued to try this in the near future though... :idea:
 
Then do it. As of now there is no proof that it does work over wax. Btw, intrigued? Really? Lol it's not a science project ya big nerd. Just say "hey I might try and see if it really works."
 
Agfan said:
Then do it. As of now there is no proof that it does work over wax. Btw, intrigued? Really? Lol it's not a science project ya big nerd. Just say "hey I might try and see if it really works."
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Ha! I am a big nerd. Always have been, always will be :xyxthumbs:

All scientific discovery happens with a question plus some curiosity. If you don't think science is happening every time you detail, you're not looking hard enough :coolgleam:
 
At the end of the day.... a synthetic sealant is going to form a thin film (bonding to itself) across the car surfaces and bond to the previous protection layer(s). As to whether or not those bonds are strong or weak.... that all depends on the formula used and compatibility between the products that are expected to form a bond.

There is no law that states companies cannot market their products outside of the "wax over sealant" guideline. I am sure that some companies have developed their products to be durable if applied over a wax; and some are simply hawking their products for this type of application simply because "they can". Are they going to test their sealant product over every other wax product in the world? Of course not, that is not a "commercially reasonable" practice.

Technically speaking, the only way to prove the advertising is accurate enough for your taste is to perform DIY test(s). In short, they all leveraging ambiguity in the same way all other product manufacturers use the term "virtually" in their marketing (just one example). As all of us know, there are other terms out that that simply open the door to setting reasonable expectations and yet influence us enough to think the product will meet our expectations.

I mean, really, it is not as if the sealant layer will fall off the paint overnight if it is applied on top of a wax layer. While it can happen, it is not likely for many products. And where it does fall off that fast; then that is about the only time the advertising begins to toe the line between good and deceptive practices. To prove deceptive advertising, its just not easy most of the time.
 
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