Applying Pinnacle Souverän™ Wax...

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In this Video, it is suggested to use a Micro-Fibre Glove and dump out the Wax and use it like a Stick across the Pad... or just let it go out a little bit and use it cross the Pad (like a Deodorant Stick).

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-videos/20123-video-waxing-pinnacle-souveran.html

My Question is... why is the Micro-Fibre Glove suggested ? Is it just because of maybe the sliminess of it, or are we trying to keep it clean. Why the Glove ?

Do I have to buy a Micro-Fibre Glove to use this wax ? Could I just use a Disposable Latex Glove instead ?

If this Wax should drop on the Floor... it's probably ruined, right ? $95.00 in the Toilet.

I think I'd wanna do this step over top the Bench or something like that. Maybe over the Hood of the Car or Truck... but never, never over the Floor.
 
I'd never heard of that method before! I just used it today on a red ssr pickup, used a yellow pad by hand, it was sooo easy to wipe on and wipe off!! I love using the stuff, although the smell always makes me hungry for some reason!
 
Hey Dean , actually saw the professor Mike P do this in detailing 101 class. I am sure he can add to it but here's what I saw.

With the lid closed he gave it a solid tap upside down on the table. Then he opened it up and slowly jiggled out about half the wax. Pinching the side of the container slightly so it didn't fall out, he gave it a few swipes on the pad.

No glove and no worries. But then again if he drops it he just goes back in the warehouse and grabs another!
 
I have always left the wax in the jar. And just used a small yellow foam pad that came with it .To apply the souveran. Because I didn't want to drop it. It did fall out one time, lucky I only had to shave off the top.
 
Hey Dean , actually saw the professor Mike P do this in detailing 101 class. I am sure he can add to it but here's what I saw.

With the lid closed he gave it a solid tap upside down on the table. Then he opened it up and slowly jiggled out about half the wax. Pinching the side of the container slightly so it didn't fall out, he gave it a few swipes on the pad.

No glove and no worries. But then again if he drops it he just goes back in the warehouse and grabs another!
This is the method that i have always used. They recommend the MF glove to that it does not slip out of your hand.
 
Don't use latex gloves or whatever to hold Souveran or any wax. They leave marks and stuff. Just use the MF gloves or hold it in a MF towel or your bare hands.

Realistically speaking, the expensive waxes are the ones you just want to apply by hand with a small foam applicator pad. Machine backing pads are too large and too thick, they will just absorb way too much product. And we all know how so little can go so far with those more expensive waxes.
 
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I think the glove is just to keep it clean and so you don't drop it. I turn a ziplock bag inside-out over my hand and use that to hold the wax (if I don't apply by hand).
 
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I use a Pinnacle foam applicator ... two swirls around it and application. Then remove to buff while slightly damp.
 
Try using the bare palm of your hand for most areas and fingers where you don't want to get wax on adjacent trim. Allows you to apply it very thin without swirls.
 
Try using the bare palm of your hand for most areas and fingers where you don't want to get wax on adjacent trim. Allows you to apply it very thin without swirls.

I've always been weary of the bare hand technique, won't the sweat/oils from your skin affect the wax? I also feel like callused skin could cause some light marring, no? Your cars look great, do you actually apply wax with your bare hands?

Pinnacle foam or Red CCS hand applicators FTW
 
I've always been weary of the bare hand technique, won't the sweat/oils from your skin affect the wax? I also feel like callused skin could cause some light marring, no? Your cars look great, do you actually apply wax with your bare hands?

Pinnacle foam or Red CCS hand applicators FTW

I never thought I would like the hand techique until I tried it a couple of times. My hands don't sweat when I do it even down here in south Florida. My hands never caused marring and it seems like it would be less likely to cause marring then any applicator. I can't speak for the condition of anyone elses hands but they would have to be in terrible condition to mar your paint (unless you don't have enough sense to take any rings off). Lately I have been using the hand techique with all my highend paste waxes (including Souveran Paste) and I really like it.
 
(unless you don't have enough sense to take any rings off). Lately I have been using the hand techique with all my highend paste waxes (including Souveran Paste) and I really like it.

LOL, I guess I'll have to give it a try (after I take off my ragged old ring I open bottles with, of course). You do anything special to prep? Just wash hands, pull the wax from the jar and apply to palms?

(:hijacked:, sorry OP)
 
LOL, I guess I'll have to give it a try (after I take off my ragged old ring I open bottles with, of course). You do anything special to prep? Just wash hands, pull the wax from the jar and apply to palms?

(:hijacked:, sorry OP)


Having clean hands is a good idea. ;) First rub the wax with your fingers tips to get it on your hand then rub the wax on the palm of your hand. Souveran Paste is soft so its very easy to do. On some of the harder waxes the body heat from your hands actually helps warm up the wax and soften it up so it goes on easier. You get better at the technique after you try it a couple of times. You'll never have to worry about dropping your applicator on the ground or washing them again.

In the last detail of my Viper I applied the LSP with my hands.
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My main concern with hand application of any way (besides the feeling of your hands for a day afterwards) is the solvents and ingredients your body is likely taking in. Not sure waxes are caustic .. but certainly not looking to harm myself when other applications are available.
 
My main concern with hand application of any way (besides the feeling of your hands for a day afterwards) is the solvents and ingredients your body is likely taking in. Not sure waxes are caustic .. but certainly not looking to harm myself when other applications are available.

Most of the high end waxes by companies like Swissvax and Zymol recommend application using your hands and not an applicator. If there was any chance of any ell effects they would not recommend application using your hands and open themselves up to any kind of liability. Even if I use an applicator I usually end up getting waxes on my hands. Souveran Paste does not recommend any method of application (other than applying it thin) nor does it have any warning not to touch the product. After you wash your hands there is no left over feeling of wax.

Killr, it seems you're knocking something you have never even tried, have no knowledge of, nor have you read any research to justify your concerns. Maybe you should wear gloves before touching those applicators. There's no telling what they're made of. I have no knowledge of, nor have I done or read any research to back up what I'm saying but I think those applicators are harmful to your health.
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Killr, it seems you're knocking something you have never even tried, have no knowledge of, nor have you read any research to justify your concerns. Maybe you should wear gloves before touching those applicators. There's no telling what they're made of. I have no knowledge of, nor have I done or read any research to back up what I'm saying but I think those applicators are harmful to your health.


I have indeed waxed cars by hand, Zymol many times per their directions. I have also waxed using these same waxes and applicators with no ill effects. When using their preferred method of hand application my hands were incredibly dry. And the reason why they suggest it is because their waxes are harder and need the heat of your hand to help melt them for easier application.

I choose personally not to use hand application and alloted the freedom of choice .... and I respect yours too.
 
I have indeed waxed cars by hand, Zymol many times per their directions. I have also waxed using these same waxes and applicators with no ill effects. When using their preferred method of hand application my hands were incredibly dry. And the reason why they suggest it is because their waxes are harder and need the heat of your hand to help melt them for easier application.

I choose personally not to use hand application and alloted the freedom of choice .... and I respect yours too.

Killr, based on your previous comment I could only assume you have tried hand application of wax if you truly thought there was a health risk. I didn't think it was right for you to imply that there might be a health risk if you have nothing to back it up. I respect your opinion and have to problem with anyone using an applicator.

After applying wax by hand I have really come appreciate the method. I can apply the wax faster, thiner, cover the paint better without missing any spots and find it easier not to get wax on adjacent trim and in cracks. I have never experienced my hands getting dry. Maybe it's the natural or tropical oils most high end carnauba waxes claim to use.
 
I think the best part is how the water beads on your hand for months. Heck, with the right UV protection, (no sun exposure) your hands stay youthful looking for years. :)
I went the hand route when I applied Collinite # 915. I liked doing it that way.
 
I think the best part is how the water beads on your hand for months. Heck, with the right UV protection, (no sun exposure) your hands stay youthful looking for years. :)
I went the hand route when I applied Collinite # 915. I liked doing it that way.


:dblthumb2: After using the hand techique a few times you get a lot better at it.
 
Let me preface my post by first saying 3 things,

1. In a lot of areas of craft of detailing there is no right or wrong because so much of the craft is personal preference.

2. Gary's results speak for themselves, he's a professional detailer with years of experience and always willing to chime in and help others and this makes him a real asset to this forum and any forum in which he contributes.

3. My below thoughts on the topic of bare hand waxing are my own as I've been asked what I think of the practice for a number of years so I tried to write-out my my thoughts on the topic but also back my thoughts and opinions up with a little substance. It's copied and pasted from a discussion on waxing by hand on MOL.

So take the below with a grain of salt as it's just my opinion on the topic of bare hand waxing. Personally I think everyone should try it at least once and if you're reading this, then take your experience and judge it against what I've written and then make up you own mind as to whether it's the right and best method for you to apply waxes or paint sealants.

Note that this is based upon a real car I detailed back in 1991, long before the Internet Craze of using your bare hand was ever promoted by any personalities on the Internet today. So it's old news to me... :D


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Topic: Waxing by hand

It's a marketing strategy about creating the perception of;

  • Unique
  • Special
  • Exclusive
  • Reserved
  • Aristocratic
  • Fill in the blank
Back in about 1991 I actually waxed a car that I had buffed out first by machine, (rotary buffer), and then bare-hand applied two coats of M26 Liquid wax. That is I used my bare hand to apply the wax. I mostly did this to see what it was like, to see if there were any benefit to using your bare hand to apply a wax to the paint on a car.

In my opinion, for whatever that is worth... there was no benefit at all..

At least no benefit that made it better than using a normal, foam hand wax applicator pad or a foam buffing pad on a machine. I have never used my bare hand to apply a wax to a car since then and I've worked on a lot of cars.

A foam wax applicator pad can absorb, in this case absorb some wax, (or a paint sealant), and then when you press on the foam just a little it will release some product enabling you to spread it out. You skin can't absorb and hold a little wax, (or paint sealant), like a quality foam applicator pad and so pressing on your skin, or pressing your skin against the paint won't release any wax or paint sealant, you have to go back to the source and get some more wax or paint sealant back onto your hand to continue spreading product.

There was one tiny benefit to applying wax with a bare hand and that was using your sense of touch if you sensed or felt any kind of particle between your hand and the paint you could stop and remove the offending particle. Not sure I've ever seen this pointed out by any other forum personality that practices bare-hand waxing?

With an applicator pad you can't feel tiny particles, you have to turn your applicator pad over often and visually inspect for them and this by the way is a good habit to forum or "Best Practice" when applying any paint care product by hand or machine.

In a perfect world, the best way to apply a wax or a paint sealant to paint is without a doubt by machine, specifically a dual action polisher with a soft finishing pad or a polishing pad on the 3-4 speed setting after the paint has been previously cleaned and polished.


Spreading the pressure out

Bare Hand
When you're working with your bare hand, there's no interface to spread pressure out, just your hand against the paint. (Which is more or less just your fingers against the paint)

DA Polisher
With a machine like a Dual Action Polisher, the pressure is spread out evenly over the entire face of the buffing pad assuming you're using good technique and holding the pad flat to the surface.

Wax Applicator Pad
Your hand, which is actually 4 fingers pushing down on an applicator pad creates pressure points and cannot match, let alone outperform the equal pressure applied to the entire face of a foam buffing pad with about a 6" diameter by machine.

Photos courtesy of MeguiarsOnline.com
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So out of the 2 options, machine, wax applicator pad or bare hand, the machine option provides for the most even pressure when spreading out a wax, hand application offers some ability to spread out the pressure but when working by hand there's nothing to act as an interface between your hand and the paint.


A Romantic Idea
Melting wax with your hand is just a romantic idea, nothing wrong with that as it does invoke this perception of old world craftsmanship. That said, you can melt most paste waxes enough to liquefy them so the wax will flow into your applicator pad simply by spinning your applicator over the surface of the wax while it's in the can. M16 has been out since 1951 and all the old-timers knew this back in their day...

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If applying wax with your bare hand sounds like a good idea simply get a clean, foam applicator pad and then do your own hands-on test and try applying and spreading out a thin, uniform coating using both methods, hand and applicator pad and then come to your own opinion and then post it here to share with others.


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The above was originally posted Mar 28th, 2007, 10:26 AM



If you've never used your bare hand to apply a finishing wax or finishing paint sealant, then instead of discussing it to death on a forum, first push away from the keyboard and go out into your garage and get some first hand, real-world experience. Afterwards, wipe the wax off your hands, (before running a mouse or typing on your keyboard), and then come back and share your thoughts.


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