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I am always trying to find the best products and techniques to apply to the cars I take care of, and I am thinking about my jeweling polish. Right now, I use PO87mc which is the finest of the Menzerna polishes. But I have been reading up about all the positive experiences with Megs 205. I am basically looking for the best finishing polish to see if I can get that little bit more out of the paints I look after... Well mostly because I want to use it on my car but the rest of the cars are my rational haha.

I tried searching around for topics like this and couldn't find any definitive answers. I am using a PC, so I think that factors into the equation in terms of product compatibility. Thanks for the help!
 
I dont think Megs 205 finishes down as well as most of the Menzerna polishes. 085rd is often considered a great finishing polish.
 
If you are using a pc then 85rd is your best bet. Like Killr said 205 leaves some on the table, but then again no matter what finishing polish you use with a pc you are still leaving something on the table.
 
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killrwheels@autogeek said:
I dont think Megs 205 finishes down as well as most of the Menzerna polishes. 085rd is often considered a great finishing polish.
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Will it produce better results than po87mc? I know 85rd has a slight increase in cut.

ASPHALT ROCKET said:
If you are using a pc then 85rd is your best bet. Like Killr said 205 leaves some on the table, but then again no matter what finishing polish you use with a pc you are still leaving something on the table.
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Very true, I'm not sure if I will ever upgrade from a PC but I would have to invest in a rotary to get the best results possible. That is a whole new challenge all together. I also know that the key to finishing down is to work the product as completely as possible, does this mean the longer the better? I break it down completely right now but would going longer bring better results?
 
christian900se said:
Will it produce better results than po87mc? I know 85rd has a slight increase in cut.



Very true, I'm not sure if I will ever upgrade from a PC but I would have to invest in a rotary to get the best results possible. That is a whole new challenge all together. I also know that the key to finishing down is to work the product as completely as possible, does this mean the longer the better? I break it down completely right now but would going longer bring better results?
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I have used the 87mc and still find 85rd to have a better finish even if the paint is soft. Once it is done you need to stop. The polish will start to clump and mar the surface plus you have to remember that when polishing you are removing a very fine surface of clear so you will be just working that into the paint once the polish is broken down.
 
Thats interesting, thanks for the great information! I bought po87mc a while ago assuming that the finest abrasives will net the best possible finish. I knew I should have gone for the 85rd! I will try that out and see how I get on with it. I always use a 4" ccs blue pad on my car (black Saab) at least, but could an improvement be made in the pad choice perhaps?

I break it down right now just like you said, it produces great results but as always I am looking for that next step haha.
 
Your pad choice is fine, any other pad isn't going to enhance what you already have. There is nothing wrong with your thought process about 87mc. When you get a chance just pick up the 85rd and will be very happy with the results.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
Your pad choice is fine, any other pad isn't going to enhance what you already have. There is nothing wrong with your thought process about 87mc. When you get a chance just pick up the 85rd and will be very happy with the results.
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I will order it next week. Thanks for the advice, I will probably be posting a show n shine when I'm done!
 
Cool, will be waiting for the pics and you can tell us your opinion on the difference between 87mc and 85rd.
 
As stated, M205 doesn't finish as well as some of the ultra fine diminishing abrasives polishes from Menzerna.

M205 finishes really close to PO203. To most, that is just the start of the correction. Ultimately how well M205 finishes really depends on the pad being used. Much have discussed about M205 finishing ability being highly dependent on machine speed and pressure.

PO106FA and PO85RD both finish really well. Which one to use really depends on the hardness of your clear coat. Some people even follow up PO106FA with PO85RD.
 
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the_invisible said:
As stated, M205 doesn't finish as well as some of the ultra fine diminishing abrasives polishes from Menzerna.

M205 finishes really close to PO203. To most, that is just the start of the correction. Ultimately how well M205 finishes really depends on the pad being used. Much have discussed about M205 finishing ability being highly dependent on machine speed and pressure.

PO106FA and PO85RD both finish really well. Which one to use really depends on the hardness of your clear coat. Some people even follow up PO106FA with PO85RD.
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I use it on my black Saab 900 and the paint is pretty darn soft. I don't really need correction work since I keep it swirl and marring free so I use it more to sharpen the finish every 6 months or so. I might use it in details but really that just covers the cost of buying products to use on my car haha. Thanks for the advice though, I was also considering PO106FA anyways just for the flexibility of correction levels.
 
Can I use the combination Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover -> Wolfgang Finishing Glaze -> PO85RD? Anyone tried that combination? You noticed any difference when using and not using the PO85RD for finishing?
 
I have used the PO85RD from Menzerna. It was the first time I used their products. I had minor scratches that did not come out because this polish is used for the last, final polish. (I used a white lake country pad with this combo)

I guess I should have used something more aggressive.

I hear that the PO85RD is a "jeweling" polish - which I gather should be used at the last stage before waxing.

I used it on a 2008 A4 (spot repairs) and a 98 ES 300 (full vehicle). The Lexus looked like new - very glossy. I am happy with the product.
 
maxisiri said:
Can I use the combination Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover -> Wolfgang Finishing Glaze -> PO85RD? Anyone tried that combination? You noticed any difference when using and not using the PO85RD for finishing?
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85rd will enhance the finish after using the Wolfgang products.
 
Dana: I actually made a mistake... For some reason I could have sworn that po87mc was the finest polish in the Menzerna line. It is actually 85rd, weird. Anyway, I will definately be ordering it now. Just need to figure out if I need anything else so I can throw that in the order too.
 
christian900se said:
Dana: I actually made a mistake... For some reason I could have sworn that po87mc was the finest polish in the Menzerna line. It is actually 85rd, weird. Anyway, I will definately be ordering it now. Just need to figure out if I need anything else so I can throw that in the order too.
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You did not make a mistake, 85rd has a cut of 1.5 and 87mc has a cut of 1. I only use 87mc or Ultrafina for jeweling.
 
Rsurfer said:
You did not make a mistake, 85rd has a cut of 1.5 and 87mc has a cut of 1. I only use 87mc or Ultrafina for jeweling.
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I was looking at the cut and gloss index for the Menzerna polishes and po87mc now has 4.5 for gloss index versus the 85rd with 5.0. Is this an error? I guess my question should be will I see a difference between the two in terms of finish?

Edit: I went on the Menzerna website and they list po87mc as haveing a cut of 2 and gloss index of 4.5 whereas 85rd has a cut of 1 and a gloss index of 5. There seems to be some conflicting info, but I will still order 85rd anyway.
 
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Rsurfer said:
You did not make a mistake, 85rd has a cut of 1.5 and 87mc has a cut of 1. I only use 87mc or Ultrafina for jeweling.
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christian900se said:
I use it on my black Saab 900 and the paint is pretty darn soft. I don't really need correction work since I keep it swirl and marring free so I use it more to sharpen the finish every 6 months or so. I might use it in details but really that just covers the cost of buying products to use on my car haha. Thanks for the advice though, I was also considering PO106FA anyways just for the flexibility of correction levels.
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I've played around with PO106FA and PO85RD with some blue finishing pads and the Makita. Honestly, side by side, applied in the same manner, I could not tell the difference between the two in terms of gloss on my solid black Nissan Maxima with medium-hardness paint. Both looked great. Maybe PO85RD will have an edge on some very very soft paint found on the black Lexus, Mazdam or Honda cars.

Autogeek has a dual 32oz SIP and PO106FA package for pretty good deal. Used with the autopia coupon code will give you an additional 10% off. If you have not already, get the swirl finding gun. Even the smallest nicks and marring that you cannot see under the blinding sun will be made visible by the swirl finding gun. In order to get the best out of the ultra-fine polishes, a swirl finding gun is essential.
 
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