Literally any other step in the detail? Wheels? Fill buckets?
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So you are assuming this is going to be used in full sun? Because otherwise it takes a while for paint to dry....
Uh, no it doesn’t. You’re only applying a small layer of this solution, even shaded it will dry fairly quickly. How long before snow foams dry out on even a reasonably warm day? 10 minutes? You’re already doing this step with a snow foams, but now you can let it dry.
Well how i am envisioning the prewash with the product it works as any other prewash does but if it happens to dry then it cleans a little better. Either way it is supposedly a good prewash.
Im not planning on ordering it as last thing i need is another rinseless wash. However if the product lives up to all it claims i think it will quickly be a very popular rinseless wash. Perhaps the leading selling rinseless therefore causing other brands to up their game.
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If someone works in an area like my driveway which has no shade and almost a perpetual light breeze, the surface could be dry before you get all the way around the vehicle on a hot summer day.
Setec Astronomy
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I didn't watch the Forensic video, but just reading the BH product page for Phat Neut, it sounds like every other rinseless wash, it breaks down and encapsulates the dirt, yada yada. Same stuff Dr. G says, and every YouTuber that's demonstrating a pre-spray. Just seems like BH trademarked some lingo to go with it.
Well my experience with most rinseless washes is they suck as a prewash. Almost to the point of not being effective in that regard. To be clear I'm referring to using as a prewash and not a prespray. All rinseless washes perform well as a prespray.
In the rinseless washes I've used to this point the two best cleaners are Feynlab & Optimum Hyper Foam. Never tried either as a prewash but don't seeing either of those excelling at prewashing.
Most times I elect to use a rinseless wash it is because my vehicle is not exceptionally dirty. So in those cases I don't really need a strong cleaner and all the rinseless washes that I currently have are sufficient for those washes. One of the benefits that Phat Nuet claims is it is a strong cleaner that won't knock down LSPs. Can't really say that about Feynlab which is better suited as a good cleaner for ceramic coated vehicles however a good cleaning rinseless.
Setec Astronomy
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Pre-wash, pre-spray, I think I use those terms interchangeably...you however seem to assign different meanings to them.
Prewash- a cleaning agent that is applied to all external surfaces, allowed to dwell, it then lifts much of the dirt and then that cleaning agent along with the lifted dirt is rinsed away.
Presoak- either a foaming shampoo or a rinseless wash is sprayed to exterior surfaces and then one engages in a contact wash. The prespray is used as a lubricant for the contact wash and in the case of rinseless washes it encapsulates the surface dirt.
This is my understanding of the differences between the two terms.
Presoak- either a foaming shampoo or a rinseless wash is sprayed to exterior surfaces and then one engages in a contact wash. The prespray is used as a lubricant for the contact wash and in the case of rinseless washes it encapsulates the surface dirt.
This is my understanding of the differences between the two terms.
Pre-spray is for lubrication, pre-wash is for meaningful cleaning. I haven’t personally seen a rinseless clean like what BH demonstrated. They do nothing that just pressure washing would do on it’s own.
You sure about that? When you pretend a pressure washer won't get paint clean, all of a sudden things are starting to sound strange.
I can take paint off with the right one. I'll admit road film can be a challenge but boosting water temp will help a bunch there. But maybe I'm doing something wrong again as my wash water and media don't really get that dirty. Heck, sometimes I'll wash 3 or 4 cars with the same bucket....
I mean a rinseless used as a prewash at 256:1 compared to just pressure washing. They are not usually doing anything that the pressure washer isn’t. There is some talk about yum and feynlab v3 being strong cleaners, but what BH showed is nuts.
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How did you get that fancy green checkmark by your name?
I feel like if I could accomplish this maybe people will finally listen
I feel like if I could accomplish this maybe people will finally listen
Pay Elon $8/month.
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At this price it better clean my entire car without me lifting a finger.
Setec Astronomy
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That's the price for the 5L, the 1L is $24.95 which seems to me is right in the ballpark for other "premium" washes, and certainly less than some of the high-end ones.
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Maybe I’m just used to wholesale pricing but this is twice as much as any other rinseless I use. I’m not opposed to paying more for a superior product but seeing a RW that cost more than a gallon of Reset is a bit shocking.
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Found this as far as dilution ratios go on a non bh website.
Code:
A. Pre-Wash - Heavy Soiling
Dilution: Use 2-4% (1:50-1:25) in a pump sprayer or trigger. Pressure washer application may be made at Panel Impact Ratio (PIR) to 1-4%.
Application: Apply to dry dirt film and allow a minimum of 5 minutes dwell time.
Note: This product is not high foaming.
Dry-On®: (Optional but best for heavy soiling) For boosted cleaning, allow to fully dry before rinsing.
Rinse: Pressure rinse.
B. Rinseless Wash - Medium Soiling
Optional Pre-Treatment: Spray well mixed 2% (1:50) Phat-Neut® directly onto dry panels to soften, lift, encapsulate grime and add additional lubrication.
Bucket Stage:
1) Fill a bucket with warm tap water.
2) Add 0.4% (1:250) or, for increased lubrication, 0.5% (1:200) Phat-Neut®
3) Mix vigorously for at least 20 seconds to disperse - this is not a high-foam product but needs thorough mixing.
4) Use a microfibre mitt or sponge soaked in solution; apply to one panel at a time.
5) Rinse the applicator well, optionally in a separate bucket for the highest degree of finish. Phat-Neut® releases dirt effortlessly from wash media.
Dry: Dry with a clean microfibre towel; turn frequently. Once saturated, rinse the towel, wring it out and proceed. Have a second, dry, microfibre to hand if needed to buff down to dry. Optionally, a quick detailer (e.g. Auto-QD at 1:10) may be used at this stage.
Tip: Re-wet any dried areas before wiping.
C. Light Duty Hard Surface Cleaning
Dilution: 0.5% (1:200) with distilled water. Shake vigorously to disperse.
Application: Wet surface using a trigger spray or via microfibre towel lightly dampened with product*.
Action: Wipe gently with a plush microfibre towel, turned frequently, in preferably straight lines, absorbing the wetted film. Buff dry with second microfibre towel if necessary.
Tip: If Phat-Neut® dries on the panel, wipe with dampened microfibre towel and dry with second microfibre towel.
Other Uses: Use 10% (1:10) in a pump sprayer or trigger sprayer for wheel cleaning and 4% (1:25) for insect and bird dropping removal. Apply liberally,
engage Dry-On®, and preferably pressure rinse. Use at 1-2% for clay lube and 0.5% for general light duty hard surface cleaning use. (Deionised water for these applications is preferred).
Key Notes & Warnings
Caution: *Due to vast differences in OEM and aftermarket finishes, always test, including Dry-On® function, on your finishes first in discrete spots; test before use.
If used in direct sunlight, ensure panel temperature does not exceed 50°C.
Rinse deposits from driveways immediately afterwards if needed to wash away removed dirt.
Deionised water reduces mineral spotting when using as a hard surface cleaner.
Warm tap water is preferred for rinseless and bucket-based washes.
Use dilutions from 0.4% (1:250) to 1% (1:100) immediately, and do not store higher concentrations of Phat-Neut® for more than 2 weeks; shake them well before reuse.