Bird poop!

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I know some says sealants dose not hold up to bird poop. These sealant I have used that dose hold up. Klasse twins top with Liquid Glass (my John Deere). AIO top with Max Wax on my truck (I know, MaxWax is a wax). DG #105 top with AW. Just washed the green Expy yesterday, the lady said the bird dropping was on there for a week or two. Well it washed right off with DG#901/water and ShMITT.
I done this review for supercharge, or anyone that has heard that sealants dose not hold up to Bird poop.:D
 
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sparkie said:
I know some says sealants dose not hold up to bird poop. These sealant I have used that dose hold up. Klasse twins top with Liquid Glass (my John Deere). AIO top with Max Wax on my truck (I know, MaxWax is a wax). DG #105 top with AW. Just washed the green Expy yesterday, the lady said the bird dropping was on there for a week or two. Well it washed right off with DG#901/water and ShMITT.
I done this review for supercharge, or anyone that has heard that sealants dose not hold up to Bird poop.:D
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Klasse twins, and Duragloss (very similar to Klasse) seem to be pretty durable, and are the longest lasting sealants. That explains a lot. Max Wax is a carnauba based wax, and carnauba seems to hold up birds poop very well.
I had very bad experience with NXT against birds poop. Been there for 2 days, and had to polish it out. That's why I always top with carnauba.

I hate birds poop.
 
In general carnaubas seem to lift of keep birdie poo-poo off the paint longer, probably the oils. Sealants seem to encapsilate it trapping it in the sealant or worse allowing to etch the paint. The best attack is still removing it immediately no matter the protection.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
In general carnaubas seem to lift of keep birdie poo-poo off the paint longer, probably the oils. Sealants seem to encapsilate it trapping it in the sealant or worse allowing to etch the paint. The best attack is still removing it immediately no matter the protection.
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Agreed. When a big one attacks, it's a challenge even for carnauba.
 
Thinking of getting a bottle of #105 on my next order. Along with some bonding agent #601.
 
Bird bombs just etched through the Klasse Twins on my car. 2 coats done about 2 months ago. Bombs were on the paint for no more than 24 hours :(
 
I deal with bird droppings every day and it's a huge problem to remove no matter what wax is used

 
sometimes i don't get it, why people think the multiple layers of ultra thin wax or sealant can act like a wall blocking off birds poop?

birds poop is usually acidic because birds do not produce sodium bicarbonate like us to neutralize the acid, and acid can penetrate the wax or sealant super easily...
if you car got bombed, the paint is damaged for sure, just a matter of severity. if you clean it immediate, you might be able to save the paint, if you give it time like, more than a few minutes, you will feel the pain... no joke, acid is acid, even wax is oil base, but the quantity is not enough to buff that huge amount of acid in one small spot.
 
jackychai said:
sometimes i don't get it, why people think the multiple layers of ultra thin wax or sealant can act like a wall blocking off birds poop?

birds poop is usually acidic because birds do not produce sodium bicarbonate like us to neutralize the acid, and acid can penetrate the wax or sealant super easily...
if you car got bombed, the paint is damaged for sure, just a matter of severity. if you clean it immediate, you might be able to save the paint, if you give it time like, more than a few minutes, you will feel the pain... no joke, acid is acid, even wax is oil base, but the quantity is not enough to buff that huge amount of acid in one small spot.
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Agree. On severe bomb case, it's can go through even ceramic coating.
 
Just because its Australia and eveythign here tries to kill everything else..
We have in addition to bird sh4t bloody fruit bat crap... !!
its 3 times the volume of the birds and equally destructive...
i do a walk by the cars when they are out overnight every day just in case..
they are hard to miss..
 
Ten years later and bird S$$t is still a problem.
 
jackychai said:
sometimes i don't get it, why people think the multiple layers of ultra thin wax or sealant can act like a wall blocking off birds poop?

birds poop is usually acidic because birds do not produce sodium bicarbonate like us to neutralize the acid, and acid can penetrate the wax or sealant super easily...
if you car got bombed, the paint is damaged for sure, just a matter of severity. if you clean it immediate, you might be able to save the paint, if you give it time like, more than a few minutes, you will feel the pain... no joke, acid is acid, even wax is oil base, but the quantity is not enough to buff that huge amount of acid in one small spot.
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An acid is an acid in that it's pH is below 7, but not all acids are equal. There are different strengths of acidity. Ex) Could you put your hand in hydrochloric acid and not get burned? The answer, it depends on concentration. 1N, no the pH is 0. .01N, yes the pH is 2. For perspective, lemon juice has a pH of 2. So does ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Milk contains lactic acid. The pH is around 6.6-6.5. Thats less acidic than the normal pH range of rain at 5-6.5, but Lactic acid is an acid and rain is water...right? This explains why some species of bird's turds seem to etch quick where other's don't. Variation in pH due to diet.


Here is an interesting article about uric acid and paint. Not sure I buy their explanation, but interesting none the less. I'd want to know more about their test procedures.
The real reason why bird droppings damage your car - Telegraph
 
Rsurfer said:
Ten years later and bird S$$t is still a problem.
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It has probably been a problem since chariots were invented. Some Egyptian was probably using some refined bees wax to polish up his ride to protect the paint and gold leaf.
 
I'm not a paint guy and have never worked in a body shop or paint shop, but it seems to me that the paint jobs on new cars today are much better looking than they were in the past, say 20 to 30 years ago. Today they just look dripping wet. Although I wasn't as fanatical about my paint 30 years ago, but I don't remember bird droppings etching my paint. I think that may have been the trade off for better looking paint these days. I would assume the paints today are quite a bit different than they were years ago.
 
I think the only real guarantee against birdbombs is a real solid ceramic coating of some kind and even then you hope for the best I think. I know Mike Philips referenced a polished and waxed car that was on display at a car show that he had detailed and a bird bomb had etched the paint within 15 minutes, eating through the wax and everything.
 
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