Body shop and swirls - looking for advice

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Hi folks, I could use some advice. My current car is only 6 months old, but someone hit me and the car needed some body work. Nothing too major - the front driver's side fender needed replacement, as well as the front bumper cover piece. The shop replaced these, painted them, and also did a blend on the hood. And unfortunately, the hood shows a bunch of refective swirls when viewed in sunlight. I've attached a few pictures of what it looked like after their work. They told me it was only in the clear coat and said they could fix the issue. I went ahead and let them work on the hood again, and although they improved it a bit many of the swirls are still there. So at this point I'm going to go ahead and look elsewhere for help since they've had a couple of tries and the problem remains. Pretty frustrating to say the least, as I've taken good care with my car washings to make sure I didn't screw up my paint (thanks to the good info I was able to read on this forum), then a professional shop messes it up. Anyway, from what you see in the pictures, is this something I could take care of myself, or is there anyone in the Orange County, CA area that you'd recommend for me to have work on it?
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Greg
 
im probably wrong but it looks like buffer marks.. i think this board calls them holograms.. its from the improper use of rotary buffers..

body shops will use buffers post paint to make the paint pop and take out small imperfections..

you can bring it to a detail shop b/c it seems like the body shop doesn't know how to use a rotary buffer and each time you bring it back they will simply keep removing clearcoat needlessly..

or you can buy a flex 3401 kit and remove them yourself if you dont mind hard work..
 
Greg, not sure where you are at in Orange County but you can reach out to Cory at Maguiars for there Thursday Night Open Garage or reach out to Darren at Auto Fetish Detail who is based in Orange County. The issue looks like hologram which are scratches from someone over aggressive with their orbital polisher. You might need a two stage or 3 stage or correction with a DA polisher.

Good luck sir.


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rhythm said:
They told me it was only in the clear coat and said they could fix the issue. I went ahead and let them work on the hood again, and although they improved it a bit many of the swirls are still there.
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Sorry to hear that you are another victim of hack work. This is the norm for most body shops.

You can fix this easily. All you need is a simple dual action polisher. Heck - the body shop could have done it right the first time and the second time if they would simply get a simple dual action polisher. Maybe use this thing called the Internet and a website called Google and searched for

removing swirls


if you would rather hire someone qualified to fix it for you there are thousands of people in California that know how to use a simple dual action polisher.

just to note, last week or the week before there was a discussion on here about how if a shop cat do it right the first time they can't do it right a second time. The reason why is because nothing has changed.

Does anyone remember that thread?

:dunno:
 
Don't remember that thread Mike, but to the OP, as Mike states, you can fix that easily. Looks like they used a rotary and installed holograms.
As Mike states, a good PC7424xp or Griot's Garrage 6, with a few medium cut pads, and a few polishing pads and McKee's 360 or HD Speed, and you'll be good as new.

After you get it sorted and to your liking, give a high-end detailer a call and ask if they can do a full frontal of Expel or a high quality PPF. This will protect the newer softer body shop paint from rock-chips and more swirls.
 
Thank you all very much for the replies and help. I'll get on it.

Greg
 
Hey Rhythm,

Thats the normal around here with body shops. My friend just got his fender repaired for a little fender bender he got into, and yeah they replaced the fender and repainted it correctly, however the *whole* car got wet sanded, compounded, and polished out for free along with the repair and currently his whole car looks like the pictures you just provided. Told him 16 hours, but he insists on taking it back to the body shop, don't take it back to them because they won't fix it properly.

His car is black btw, it sticks out like no tomorrow.:buffing: Not to mention all of the rubber seals are all stained permanently with compound. Even a DIYer myself I haven't stained any of the rubber trim even though I wasn't cautious of taping although I should have been.... by stained I mean permanently ruined!

Either find a reputable detailer or buy a da and fix it yourself, you will feel so much better you did.

I have his car in for one of my future projects and I'll probably post up pics then of what someone can do at home vs a shop.
 
Mike Phillips said:
Sorry to hear that you are another victim of hack work. This is the norm for most body shops.

You can fix this easily. All you need is a simple dual action polisher. Heck - the body shop could have done it right the first time and the second time if they would simply get a simple dual action polisher. Maybe use this thing called the Internet and a website called Google and searched for

removing swirls


if you would rather hire someone qualified to fix it for you there are thousands of people in California that know how to use a simple dual action polisher.

just to note, last week or the week before there was a discussion on here about how if a shop cat do it right the first time they can't do it right a second time. The reason why is because nothing has changed.

Does anyone remember that thread?

:dunno:
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Sorry Mike, I can't think of that thread but this one my be relevant -

It takes just as long to do it wrong...


I remember this one from my "Hologram Hell" thread. I have been fixing alot of this "hack work" lately myself.

Aaryn NZ. :xyxthumbs:
 
rhythm said:
Hi folks, I could use some advice. My current car is only 6 months old, but someone hit me and the car needed some body work. Nothing too major - the front driver's side fender needed replacement, as well as the front bumper cover piece. The shop replaced these, painted them, and also did a blend on the hood. And unfortunately, the hood shows a bunch of refective swirls when viewed in sunlight. I've attached a few pictures of what it looked like after their work. They told me it was only in the clear coat and said they could fix the issue. I went ahead and let them work on the hood again, and although they improved it a bit many of the swirls are still there. So at this point I'm going to go ahead and look elsewhere for help since they've had a couple of tries and the problem remains. Pretty frustrating to say the least, as I've taken good care with my car washings to make sure I didn't screw up my paint (thanks to the good info I was able to read on this forum), then a professional shop messes it up. Anyway, from what you see in the pictures, is this something I could take care of myself, or is there anyone in the Orange County, CA area that you'd recommend for me to have work on it?
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Thank you!
Greg
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I'd take it back and demand a re paint. Not only will it benefit you but also anyones car they whork on in the future. Plus who knows how much clear they burned off trying to fix it?
 
LSNAutoDetailing said:
Don't remember that thread Mike, but to the OP, as Mike states, you can fix that easily. Looks like they used a rotary and installed holograms.
As Mike states, a good PC7424xp or Griot's Garrage 6, with a few medium cut pads, and a few polishing pads and McKee's 360 or HD Speed, and you'll be good as new.

After you get it sorted and to your liking, give a high-end detailer a call and ask if they can do a full frontal of Expel or a high quality PPF. This will protect the newer softer body shop paint from rock-chips and more swirls.
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I heard hard paint chips easier then soft? I have lots of chips unfortunately. I think my paint is on the harder end
 
rhythm said:
Hi folks, I could use some advice. My current car is only 6 months old, but someone hit me and the car needed some body work. Nothing too major - the front driver's side fender needed replacement, as well as the front bumper cover piece.

The shop replaced these, painted them, and also did a blend on the hood. And unfortunately, the hood shows a bunch of refective swirls when viewed in sunlight.

I've attached a few pictures of what it looked like after their work. They told me it was only in the clear coat and said they could fix the issue.

I went ahead and let them work on the hood again, and although they improved it a bit many of the swirls are still there.


Greg
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Hi Greg,

Where are you at with this project?


I could not locate the recent thread that's just like your experience but suffice to say, what I wrote in my replies to that thread was that

If a shop can't do it right the first time they can't do it right the second time.


Just ask this question....


What's changed?


Did they get a different tool? A different pad? A different polish?

Did they get a guy that actually knows what he's doing?

The answer to all of the above is NOTHING HAS CHANGED

Even with all the FREE information on the Internet via a forum like this and YouTube the shop is caveman to figure out how to do good work in the year 2017.


So you must either,

1: Do it yourself

2: Hire someone that knows what you're doing.


We can help you with both just let me know what you want to do.


:)
 
Aaryn NZ said:
Sorry Mike, I can't think of that thread but this one my be relevant -

It takes just as long to do it wrong...


I remember this one from my "Hologram Hell" thread. I have been fixing alot of this "hack work" lately myself.

Aaryn NZ. :xyxthumbs:
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That does cover the topic being discussed in this thread but there's actually an identical thread on this forum that just was posted in the last week or two where someone had a body shop work on their car and they hacked it up real good. The owner of the car complained, the shop said

Let us give it another try


And it came back the same way, filled with holograms.


The good news is, shops that do hack work keep Autogeek in business and create work for those that actually know what they are doing.



:)
 
Mike Phillips said:
Hi Greg,

Where are you at with this project?
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Hi Mike,

Since I don't currently have any detailing tools/products to take care of this, I was leaning towards hiring someone in my area to fix the issues for me. WTAGGART gave me a couple of names to contact in my area, and if you'd like to refer me to anyone specific I'll welcome the suggestions. By the time I had initially posted here I had already decided that what I WON'T do is go back to the body shop. Nice people, but it's apparent that they're not going to be the ticket. I like doing things myself too....But I guess I'm a little nervous about learning on my own car! :)

-Greg
 
On the other hand, there are free classes at Meguiar's in Irvine, which is quite close to me....

-Greg
 
rhythm said:
On the other hand, there are free classes at Meguiar's in Irvine, which is quite close to me....

-Greg
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This..

or even easier...just watch mike p video on how to use the flex 3401...its a really easy tool/process with any DA polisher...just takes a long time and offers a great workout

If doing a diy dont shortcut the decon process...its another half day but well wirth it...decon..wash ironx then clay.. (get a nanoskin towel..much easier n faster than clay bar and you want all the "easier" you can buy..the process itself is fatiguing..so "easier" tools are worth every penny
 
It may be a little while before I have the time to do one of the free classes, so I may be hiring someone to fix my hood. If there are any suggestions for someone in the South Orange County, CA area please let me know.

Thanks!
Greg
 
Hi Greg, the one name I gave you was Darren at Auto Fetish Detailing was actually on an episode of Competition Ready two weeks ago with Mike Phillips.


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A buddy of mine paid $2,000 for this paint and hack job. Worst paint and buff I've ever seen. The entire car looked like this.

 
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