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I may need to do a wheel job inside the wash bay at a body shop. Shop owner asked if the products I plan to use are silicone free.

Duh...haven't thought of that. So how does one know if product contains silicone or not??

Tom
 
A ton of products say "body shop safe" and are "silicone free" on the bottle or on their web page on Auto Geek. Which products are you thinking about using? What kind of job are you going to do to the wheels?
 
I have seen some products saying they're body shop safe. What I need to find out/and or learn how find what stuff are in what products just so I know what is what in different products.

As for the wheels---plan to wash with soap, use sonax wheel cleaner to remove brake dust, hit the tire once with tuff shine tire cleaner, and then finish off tire again with rubber rejuvenator, clean wheels with Blackfire coat paint prep to prep for coating and then coat wheels with pinnacle black diamond wheel coating and McKee's tire coating...

Owner said if shop gets messed up---he'll send me a bill for all damages to shop!!!

This got me thinking---I need to "know how" to find/get information regarding silicone in various different products and to protect myself with proof of what were in the products.

The only thing off top my head---silicone generally are found in tire, trim dressing and possible in some waxes and sealants. I'm not sure tho...

Tom
 
Once silicone is used at a body shop or becomes air borne---it screws up the whole place for couple of weeks or so. If they see funny stuff on wheels---they make owners remove tire dressing before bringing in their cars for repair work.

That is why it is important to know which stuff is body shop safe. Or at least know which product doesn't contain silicone.

In worst case---I'll just stay where I am at (another place) and do the wash/prep wheels outside in the cold rather than taking the wheels to the body shop where they have an inside wash bay which is heated and much warmer.

Cold weather does get in the way of getting things done with water!

Tom
 
More importantly---How do I find information about the products I am using?

Labels on bottles do not list what's in the product.

Tom
 
With newer paint technologies/chemicals this is really more of a non issue these days. It would really only be an issue if you were using cheap, greasy dressings.
 
TMQ said:
Owner said if shop gets messed up---he'll send me a bill for all damages to shop!!!
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hey Tom, not sure if you already know this gentleman or not from previous dealings, but this sort of thing is a red flag for people when I'm potentially doing business with them. I'm overly cautious, but it sure sounds like he would be quick to point a finger at you for things that may not be within your control or even caused by you.

I of course don't know the guy at all so it could be his way of joking around, but that's a bold statement to say to someone. Make sure you cover yourself!
 
TMQ said:
As for the wheels---plan to wash with soap, use sonax wheel cleaner to remove brake dust, hit the tire once with tuff shine tire cleaner, and then finish off tire again with rubber rejuvenator, clean wheels with Blackfire coat paint prep to prep for coating and then coat wheels with pinnacle black diamond wheel coating and McKee's tire coating...
Tom
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None of those products should be a problem. Its all cleaners and 2 coatings. McKee's tire coating would be the only one that would be a mystery really. I know it is some type of flexible acrylic substance and doubt if it had silicone in it based on how clean McKee's expects the tire to be prior to application. If you were to polish the wheel faces then the 3D polishes would be a good choice as already mentioned.
 
•Not (yet):
-being 100% assured of the “Bodyshop
safeness” of the tire/wheel products you
mentioned you will be using; and, being
duly forewarned by this Bodyshop’s owner,
as you also mentioned;

•Then:
-unless the Bodyshop’s owner were to
supply/recommend all of the detailing
products that he deems is safe to use in
his Shop—that of which must also meet
or exceed your particular Coating criteria...

-I, personally, sure wouldn’t perform any
type of detailing processes anywhere near
this Bodyshop’s premises.



Bob
 
kb2ehj said:
Really?? Contact the company
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Many companies I've asked are hesitant about releasing SDS sheets or other information unless you can prove to them you are a full-fledged shop and have a need for them. It's a valid question to ask.

Also, not everybody knows exactly what to do the first time they are faced with an issue. You don't have to be snarky or act somehow amazed that someone would ask a question.
 
Heisenberg said:
Many companies I've asked are hesitant about releasing SDS sheets or other information unless you can prove to them you are a full-fledged shop and have a need for them. It's a valid question to ask.

Also, not everybody knows exactly what to do the first time they are faced with an issue. You don't have to be snarky or act somehow amazed that someone would ask a question.
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Interestingly, 3D has everyone of there's easily accessible on their website.

My employer sells thousands of different companies cleaning chemicals and all have links online to sds sheets as a convenience to our customers.

The thing about sds sheets is they may frequently reference the manufacturer, so if you are having someone blend your products and not actually doing the manufacturing yourself the kitty is out of the bag so to speak.

For example The Home Depot, go online and look at their HDX Bleach, click on the sds sheet and it references the mfg of the bleach :props:
 
custmsprty said:
Interestingly, 3D has everyone of there's easily accessible on their website.

My employer sells thousands of different companies cleaning chemicals and all have links online to sds sheets as a convenience to our customers.

The thing about sds sheets is they may frequently reference the manufacturer, so if you are having someone blend your products and not actually doing the manufacturing yourself the kitty is out of the bag so to speak.

For example The Home Depot, go online and look at their HDX Bleach, click on the sds sheet and it references the mfg of the bleach :props:
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I think I remember you saying that in a previous thread - amazed at how easy it is to get the sds for any 3d product. It makes me want to use more of their products, honestly. My main thing is the safety/handling vs. the actual product blend.
 
Heisenberg said:
hey Tom, not sure if you already know this gentleman or not from previous dealings, but this sort of thing is a red flag for people when I'm potentially doing business with them. I'm overly cautious, but it sure sounds like he would be quick to point a finger at you for things that may not be within your control or even caused by you.

I of course don't know the guy at all so it could be his way of joking around, but that's a bold statement to say to someone. Make sure you cover yourself!
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I know him. Used to work for him at the shop for about 3 years. A great boss---he was very disappointed when I left. I was the only guy he could find that will keep the whole place #### and span---no small feat for a body shop. He knows detailing well and just wanted to fill me in and warn me about different products that can effect the shop...

Tom
 
To everyone---above.

Thank you. Guess I got my homework cut out for me...

Will need to get my hands on these SDS.

tom
 
TMQ said:
To everyone---above.

Thank you. Guess I got my homework cut out for me...

Will need to get my hands on these SDS.

tom
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You know what else you can do that would be absolutely determinative, even more so than the SDS data...

Do you have access to a scrap panel? If you do you could try using each of your intended products on a section of the panel. Wipe them on, wipe them off. Then get a spray can of paint and paint over your test areas.

If the paint goes on evenly without any fisheyes, then you are golden. If not, then you'll know which product(s) are the problem.
 
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