Ceramic vs Graphene Coatings

[PeteT19640]

Hi is there a update on how they compare.
Been looking at Adams Advanced Graphene Coating and looks impressive with stats.
In theory it should be the best out there but I'm not seeing that.
This is only one.

 

[DanaDetailingPros]

I have heard good reviews. I like it most of all because they show there Pencil Hardness and MOHS ratings reports performed by a certified gemologist.

I also like they don't have a PRO line they only sell to "Certified PRO Installers" And a prosumer line. I'm not one for this whole smoke and mirrors ploy to get people to buy into a package price point to get the same sh$t! Just a clever way to charge 4X's the price.

 

[PeteT19640]

I have heard good reviews. I like it most of all because they show there Pencil Hardness and MOHS ratings reports performed by a certified gemologist. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0...s_Polishes_Inc_4796814PP01R1.pdf?v=1626992827
I also like they don't have a PRO line they only sell to "Certified PRO Installers" And a prosumer line. I'm not one for this whole smoke and mirrors ploy to get people to buy into a package price point to get the same sh$t! Just a clever way to charge 4X's the price.

Thanks for your reply.
Yes I only have seen good comments as well.
Have you used or worked with any of the Graphene coatings?
It will be interesting how far Graphene has come.

 

[The Guz]

Graphene coatings are just another variation of a ceramic coating. One is not better than the other.

 

[PeteT19640]

Graphene coatings are just another variation of a ceramic coating. One is not better than the other.

Adams claim 9+ years (which seems along time) and more scratch resistant.
In your eyes is there a future for Graphene?

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Not as graphene is used currently. Think of it as graphene added to a ceramic coating. You’ll be lucky if you get 2-3 years on a daily.

With there spray coating the claim 1+ years and I got about 6.

And even if you do get more than 2 years you will want to repolish paint at prolly like 2 year mark anyways thus remove the coating.


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[opie2]

And even if you do get more than 2 years you will want to repolish paint at prolly like 2 year mark anyways thus remove the coating.
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I have found this to be true as well. Even if you maintain the surface as best possible, that 2-3 year mark the sureface will want to atleast do a light polish to refine or "freshen up" the surface.

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[Desertnate]

Adams claim 9+ years (which seems along time) and more scratch resistant.
In your eyes is there a future for Graphene?

I wouldn't put much stock in the whole hardness scale and scratch resistance for any coating, regardless of its chemical composition. The coating is only a couple microns thick at best when applied to a car. Nothing that thin will provide any reasonable protection from anything that might scratch the paint.

Coating makers and marketing teams have been boasting this kind of nonsense for years. From practical experience, I've not seen it. If you want real scratch resistance, get a PPF applied to the car.

And even if you do get more than 2 years you will want to repolish paint at prolly like 2 year mark anyways thus remove the coating

Very true. I've gone around 3~3.5 years on CQUK on a couple cars and at that point it really needed to be polished again. The coating was showing some signs of starting to degrade, but still going strong. If I'd not cared how the vehicle looked I could easily have gone longer.

No matter how well you take care of a vehicle, if it's a daily driver which is frequently exposed to the elements, washed often, and simply experiences "life", there will be minor defects that will appear over time. At around the 2 year point you'll start to notice things don't look quite as good as they used to and it's time to do a full detail.

 

[Texchappy]

I haven’t used a graphene coating because the reviews I’ve seen just don’t bear out the claims. Often it seems the graphene coatings don’t even seem to out perform the SIO2 ones, let alone reach their goals.

 

[The Guz]

Adams claim 9+ years (which seems along time) and more scratch resistant.
In your eyes is there a future for Graphene?

Ignore the durability claims and scratch resistance from any coating manufacturer. Use it for what it is and that is a coating. Maintain it and it will last a long time.

If you’re interested in it then try it. Their coatings are good.

 

[PeteT19640]

9+ years has anyone tested this time?
Cquartz 3.0 + others can pretty much equal graphene coatings.

 

[The Guz]

It’s only been out for like 2-3 years. You will have to wait 6-7 years to find out.

 

[DUBL0WS6]

9 years LOL. I'm not sure the clear coat on some of these cars will last that long with as thin as they are spraying them.

 

[PeteT19640]

It’s only been out for like 2-3 years. You will have to wait 6-7 years to find out.

Ok so do they know (or think) it will last 9+.
If it's not in the real world environment.
I assume different countries with different climate would have a effect.

 

[PeteT19640]

9 years LOL. I'm not sure the clear coat on some of these cars will last that long with as thin as they are spraying them.

Good point.
Some paints aren't always suitable for different climates

 

[Desertnate]

Ok so do they know (or think) it will last 9+.
If it's not in the real world environment.

Who knows what kind of testing they used to come up with that number...if it all.

This goes back to the earlier comments from a couple of us. Even if the product lived up to its durability claims, I don't think you'd want to go more than a third of that time without polishing it off an re-applying. Not because the coating has failed, but simply because the appearance of the vehicle would need to be refreshed.

 

[PeteT19640]

Who knows what kind of testing they used to come up with that number...if it all.

This goes back to the earlier comments from a couple of us. Even if the product lived up to its durability claims, I don't think you'd want to go more than a third of that time without polishing it off an re-applying. Not because the coating has failed, but simply because the appearance of the vehicle would need to be refreshed.

True
Realistically there is no point applying any coating with more than 2 years.

 

[The Guz]

Who knows what kind of testing they used to come up with that number...if it all.

This goes back to the earlier comments from a couple of us. Even if the product lived up to its durability claims, I don't think you'd want to go more than a third of that time without polishing it off an re-applying. Not because the coating has failed, but simply because the appearance of the vehicle would need to be refreshed.

It is actually somewhat interesting how they test it. Adams did a facebook live with the chemist on how they determine longevity. It is like most that use a scrub tester. The chemist at B&B Chris is a sharp guy and goes into good detail on the chemistry.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Who knows what kind of testing they used to come up with that number...if it all.

This goes back to the earlier comments from a couple of us. Even if the product lived up to its durability claims, I don't think you'd want to go more than a third of that time without polishing it off an re-applying. Not because the coating has failed, but simply because the appearance of the vehicle would need to be refreshed.

I believe Adam’s does a wash test. Which we all know isn’t accurate. Takes enviroment out of equation.


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[Desertnate]

It is actually somewhat interesting how they test it. Adams did a facebook live with the chemist on how they determine longevity. It is like most that use a scrub tester. The chemist at B&B Chris is a sharp guy and goes into good detail on the chemistry.

Thanks. Interesting to know. We've seen so many products from many brands not live up to their claimed durability claims you always wonder if their claims are based on scientific tesling like you describe, or assumptions based on leaving a panel in the elements and taking it through a car wash a few times.

These days you never know where the science/engineering end and the marketing hype begins. Guess it's made me a bit cynical.