Cheaper alternative to Blackfire Wet Diamond?

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I have been using Blackfire Wet Diamond on my customer cars for details and wash/waxes. I love how easy it is to apply and remove and the slick feeling it leaves behind, as well as the protection. I am looking for something that may be a little cheaper and give me the same attributes. I have used 4* UPP in the past and loved it, but it has been a while and I dont remember if it was as good or not. It is a bit cheaper as well.

Could I even use something like Duragloss 105? I wouldn't mind the cleaning attributes it offers especially if it is as easy to use as the above two sealants. It seems like DG105 might be a winner if it does have the ease of use (especially in the direct sun).

Thanks in advance for your guidance.
 
I used BFWD prior to using Menzerna Power Lock. Power Lock is a third cheaper than BFWD. They apply and buff off the same and seem to have the same durability. I will try Meguiars Ultimate Liquid Wax next. I hear that's also comparable with better durability and its even cheaper.
 
Four Star UPP is a hidden gem .... nothing easier and looks great. For professional detailing I would think an AIO wax would be preferred as you get some cleaning and polishing benefits however.
 

4*UPP is the stuff. Super easy to use and one of, if not the most Nuba looking sealant I have ever used.


 
DG 105 is a good choice. I stopped using BFWD because of the curing time. But with DG 105/601 there is no wait which is why I stick to it.
 
Meguiar's:
-Ultimate Wax
-21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0

Klasse: High Gloss Sealant Glaze

Finish Kare:
-218 Poly Wipe Sealant Conditioner
-Finish Kare 1000P Hi-Temp Paste Wax

3M:
-Perfect-It Show Car Liquid Wax
-Performance Finish

Liquid Glass Auto Polish

Poorboy's World: EX-P Pure Sealant

DP: Poli-Coat Paint Sealant

Rejex

Just to name a few...

:)

Bob
 
I think i am looking at either 4*UPP or DG105. I know the ease of use is there with 4*, but what about DG105? Is it as simple as applying it to the whole car, letting it cure, and then wiping off with one pass like BFWD? If so, the cleaning will really help in making the cars looks better!!

I have used many of the products that FUNX725 mentioned, but I do not feel they all have the ease of use of BFWD or 4*UPP. EXP was finicky when i used a sample of it, Klasse didn't seem to spread as well and if i remember, dusted a bit. M21 didn't have nearly the durability of either, and Poli-coat really did not spread as easily and I found myself using more product when it really wasn't necessary, or really slowing my routine down to get even, thorough coverage.

I don't mind spending the money on a product that works well and makes my day go quickly, which is why I use BFWD. I am looking to replace it with a slightly more economical version that doesn't give up much in performance.

Heck, I use Fuzion on many of my details just for its great looks and ease of use. It surely cuts into my bottom line, but the time it saves and the results I can achieve with it make up for that! :)
 
Wolfgang makes some really easy to use products, but like blackfire its kinda pricy..
 
D_Nyholm said:
I don't mind spending the money on a product that works well and makes my day go quickly,
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OK...If I'd known this, I would've said:
"Go with WGDGPS...It's: The Snitzlepop"!!!

Im the MAN

Bob
 
D_Nyholm said:
I think i am looking at either 4*UPP or DG105. I know the ease of use is there with 4*, but what about DG105? Is it as simple as applying it to the whole car, letting it cure, and then wiping off with one pass like BFWD? If so, the cleaning will really help in making the cars looks better!!

I have used many of the products that FUNX725 mentioned, but I do not feel they all have the ease of use of BFWD or 4*UPP. EXP was finicky when i used a sample of it, Klasse didn't seem to spread as well and if i remember, dusted a bit. M21 didn't have nearly the durability of either, and Poli-coat really did not spread as easily and I found myself using more product when it really wasn't necessary, or really slowing my routine down to get even, thorough coverage.

I don't mind spending the money on a product that works well and makes my day go quickly, which is why I use BFWD. I am looking to replace it with a slightly more economical version that doesn't give up much in performance.

Heck, I use Fuzion on many of my details just for its great looks and ease of use. It surely cuts into my bottom line, but the time it saves and the results I can achieve with it make up for that! :)
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Have you tried any of the duragloss sealants? You can apply them in the sun and they still wipe of easily. Just stick with DG and you will be happy, so will your wallet. Blackfire is way overpriced..
 
FUNX725 said:
OK...If I'd known this, I would've said:
"Go with WGDGPS...It's: The Snitzlepop"!!!

Im the MAN

Bob
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Hahah!! Though I wasn't super impressed with it when I tried it. It was years ago and I was comparing it to 4* and Poli Coat (the only other sealants I had at the time). I have written it off since then. I think i'll have to put another sample in my cart on my next order and re-evaluate it. :)
 
Many of those mentioned also come in bulk packaging, for instance the BFWD comes in half and full gallons, and there is some cost benefit to buying those sizes if you are using a lot of it.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Many of those mentioned also come in bulk packaging, for instance the BFWD comes in half and full gallons, and there is some cost benefit to buying those sizes if you are using a lot of it.
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Yeah, wish I needed the bulk stuff, but I primarily do production detailing and use d151. My last bottle of bfwd lasted almost a whole season since it is easy to apply thin with a PC. After I ran out of it, I pulled out my old bottle of poli coat but it had separated so badly that even a few minutes of shaking could not get it back to normal.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Many of those mentioned also come in bulk packaging, for instance the BFWD comes in half and full gallons, and there is some cost benefit to buying those sizes if you are using a lot of it.
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Absolutely. Especially if you are a business.


But a gallon of BFWD would last me forever since it takes so little. I have asked Todd multiple times for a 8oz version since I like to try so many products but don't want my stuff to "spoil".

 
I've used Blackfire Wet Diamond on my Formula,and it looked VERY nice. I got it as a free sample,and I was very impressed. It's very wet,slick,and super easy to remove. I can't comment on the durability as my car is always garaged,and I'm using something different now.

I tried DG 105 on my wife's red G8 GT. I've been using 105 on my white HHR,and I really liked it. I put the 105 on a fender of my wife's car just to see how it looked on red. The rest of the car on that side was washed with ONR WW,and then Opti-Seal topped with OCW. The 105 was actually not far behind looks-wise to the Optimum combo. I'm not knocking Optimum at all,but I was surprised at how good 105 looked by itself. It's an amazing value too.

I've never compared BFWD and 105 side by side,but 105 is much cheaper for sure.
 
TroyScherer said:

Absolutely. Especially if you are a business.


But a gallon of BFWD would last me forever since it takes so little. I have asked Todd multiple times for a 8oz version since I like to try so many products but don't want my stuff to "spoil".

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Wouldn't it take years to spoil? If at all? I've had some stuff for years. Occassional shake and back to normal! :xyxthumbs:
 
cleanmycorolla said:
Wouldn't it take years to spoil? If at all? I've had some stuff for years. Occassional shake and back to normal! :xyxthumbs:
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Maybe I should have said "decades".

The 16oz bottles of sealants I have are about 4years old, but are still good. But those are 16oz bottles. I can't begin to think of how long a gallon would last. I would guess that sooner or later it would have to separate out and evaporate to a point of not being usable before I finished using it.

 
I hear nothing but good things about DG 105, but if you're looking for a sealant sans cleaners, 111 is what I like.
 
Bfwd has proven to be a sure fire winner for me. One bottle has done many cars with great results and thin is the way to go. I am lucky to do mostly exotics and they need to look good. If you broke the price down per car how much extra $$ would it be? A couple dollars? I guess it depends on how discriminating the customer is- I know a lot of people don't care or look at it close, but I have a certain standard for myself too. Maybe the Porsche and Ferrari clients know better plus it can't hurt for repeat business- this is know
 
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