collinite 845 Over Ceramic Coating?

[bryanviper]

Hello,

So I'm more then displeased with CarPro Reload, it says it should last up to 6 months and if I'm lucky I will get 4 weeks out of it. So I'm going to try collinite 845 however I want to know if there is an issue with using it as a topper for a ceramic coating? I'm basically just looking for something that will last a few months and provide protection.

Thanks

 

[The Guz]

Hello,

So I'm more then displeased with CarPro Reload, it says it should last up to 6 months and if I'm lucky I will get 4 weeks out of it. So I'm going to try collinite 845 however I want to know if there is an issue with using it as a topper for a ceramic coating? I'm basically just looking for something that will last a few months and provide protection.

Thanks

You already have something that is proving you months of protection with having the coating as your base layer. Using Collinite will alter the hydrophobic properties. Something to keep in mind.

 

[bryanviper]

You already have something that is proving you months of protection with having the coating as your base layer. Using Collinite will alter the hydrophobic properties. Something to keep in mind.

True, this is to put on family members cars that do not maintain the paint. No more ceramic coating for them :laughing: However collinite 845 will at least be easier/quicker to apply and last longer then reload. Also for them I dont think they will even notice the Hydrophobic properties.

Thanks

 

[SWETM]

It's not an accually ceramic coating Reload. It's a maintance product that they claimed to last up to 6 months. But that claim has not many reached. They how ever has beginning to recommend a little different application lately. You are going to be apply it heavy on the panel section. As you spray it on the panel with total coverage. And wipe it down with one mf towel. Then buff off it with a second mf towel. You are going to need some towel for this so at least the buffing towel don't get to saturated. Work in the shade and on cool panels when applying it. The roof and hood you do in 4 sections and the others in 2-3 sections. This way you get the thickest protection layer from it. And a little longer longevity too. But not near the 6 months claim. If you would do an accually ceramic coating like Carpro cquartz classic and cquartz UK. You get a real long longevity from them.

 

[bryanviper]

Even still like you said doing a thick layer is not going to last much longer. Maybe 2 months if you are lucky but probably not. My issue is that we are paying premium for a product that I thought would last close to 6 months and I'm lucky to get 1 month out of it. If thats the case then I will use Collinite 845 which will last around 6 months and cost me much less.

I have ceramic coating on my car and I maintain it so I'm ok but for family and other clients that dont its not worth my time/money.

It's not an accually ceramic coating Reload. It's a maintance product that they claimed to last up to 6 months. But that claim has not many reached. They how ever has beginning to recommend a little different application lately. You are going to be apply it heavy on the panel section. As you spray it on the panel with total coverage. And wipe it down with one mf towel. Then buff off it with a second mf towel. You are going to need some towel for this so at least the buffing towel don't get to saturated. Work in the shade and on cool panels when applying it. The roof and hood you do in 4 sections and the others in 2-3 sections. This way you get the thickest protection layer from it. And a little longer longevity too. But not near the 6 months claim. If you would do an accually ceramic coating like Carpro cquartz classic and cquartz UK. You get a real long longevity from them.

 

[LSNAutoDetailingLSNAutoDetailing is verified member.]

There are no hard and fast rules... you can do as you wish. The Ceramic coating is the sacrificial barrier between the elements and the paint. The problem with using a wax is that it will negate the positive points of having a coating. The coating provides a uniform coverage of protection with properties such as being extremely hydrophobic, and keeping dust and debris down to a minimum. Adding a wax on top of that will negate those properties, and you will probably see dust and pollen etc, starting to attract to the wax.

I would do what Swetm states... Apply heavy using a MF Applicator and two MF towels. For example my good friend Wills has a video on a good method of application. I use the same method accept I don't use the spray water.

 

[bryanviper]

Hello thanks for the suggestions but for somebody who does not maintain their car (not myself) unless reload is going to lasts Months its useless for my situation. Much rather have the wax that will last 6 months then reload that will last 1-2 months and then not get re applied until months and months later when I get a chance.

Thanks

There are no hard and fast rules... you can do as you wish. The Ceramic coating is the sacrificial barrier between the elements and the paint. The problem with using a wax is that it will negate the positive points of having a coating. The coating provides a uniform coverage of protection with properties such as being extremely hydrophobic, and keeping dust and debris down to a minimum. Adding a wax on top of that will negate those properties, and you will probably see dust and pollen etc, starting to attract to the wax.

I would do what Swetm states... Apply heavy using a MF Applicator and two MF towels. For example my good friend Wills has a video on a good method of application. I use the same method accept I don't use the spray water.

 

[MarkD51]

My opinion and experiences with such are this.

Over my own CQUK Coated Tahoe which was done a good three years ago, and at present have no ability to re-correct, and re-apply CQuartz, throughout these past few years I've used a few number of what were said to be acceptable products to help maintain the coating, and hopefully make it last as long as possible.

Overall, I've been very happy with the results and protection CQUK provided me. But like anything, it's not going to last forever, so.

I've commonly used Carpro Reload, from as soon as an hour after CQUK application and for the next following 2 years, nothing else applied.

At about the 2 year mark I decided to buy and try GTechniq C2V3 as a topper. Worked OK, similar in many regards to Reload I thought, and figure is seemed to last about the same length of time as well. Maybe two months.

Then most recently I bought both Blackfire Coating Booster, and SiO2 Spray. And I've tried them both. Again I suspected a similar time frame of longevity, looks, and other properties like Reload-C2V3, and I seem to be correct. That these types of products were not designed to be highly durable, just bring back some of the fresh qualities of a Ceramic Coating.

SiO2 Spray that I tried seemed to be quite "weak", a watery product, and upon just doing only part of the Hood, I stopped right there.

I turned around, and grabbed a bottle of IW-845 and applied. After I applied, removed and felt and inspected the paint, again felt the rock hard turtle shell finish that now was there, and the assurance that I've known for literal decades about what Collinite products can do, I had a great big smile on my face and said these words to myself....

"Now I know I got something on the paint!" The next two words were "Oh yeah!"

I look at it like this. If these Paint Coatings are as durable as they claim to be, then I would say there's no fear of using a product like Colly IW over them and having it remove or damage a underlying Ceramic Coating.

As for Hydrophobic Qualities, I would say Colly #845 is no slouch in this regard, as all who've used #845, I'm sure you've been wowed by the insane Beading, that looks to me as good as CQUK, and probably any other Coating product on the market.

When I was applying the #845 with a Meg's Foam Applicator, I could feel that product literally cutting through grime, probably Tree Sap as well, and other Road Grime nasties. The Paint initially felt like Sandpaper.

It was crud that none of those other products I mention above even slightly touched or removed.

When I got through, the paint felt as smooth as if I just Clayed the Truck. And it glowed, very impressive, love you Collinite! Bravo!

With all I've said, I really see no harm-foul in the combination of such products. In fact it might be a very favorable 1-2 punch to maintain and protect the paint

 

[bryanviper]

Good to know you have had good results with Collinite 845 over the coating!

Thanks

My opinion and experiences with such are this.

Over my own CQUK Coated Tahoe which was done a good three years ago, and at present have no ability to re-correct, and re-apply CQuartz, throughout these past few years I've used a few number of what were said to be acceptable products to help maintain the coating, and hopefully make it last as long as possible.

Overall, I've been very happy with the results and protection CQUK provided me. But like anything, it's not going to last forever, so.

I've commonly used Carpro Reload, from as soon as an hour after CQUK application and for the next following 2 years, nothing else applied.

At about the 2 year mark I decided to buy and try GTechniq C2V3 as a topper. Worked OK, similar in many regards to Reload I thought, and figure is seemed to last about the same length of time as well. Maybe two months.

Then most recently I bought both Blackfire Coating Booster, and SiO2 Spray. And I've tried them both. Again I suspected a similar time frame of longevity, looks, and other properties like Reload-C2V3, and I seem to be correct. That these types of products were not designed to be highly durable, just bring back some of the fresh qualities of a Ceramic Coating.

SiO2 Spray that I tried seemed to be quite "weak", a watery product, and upon just doing only part of the Hood, I stopped right there.

I turned around, and grabbed a bottle of IW-845 and applied. After I applied, removed and felt and inspected the paint, again felt the rock hard turtle shell finish that now was there, and the assurance that I've known for literal decades about what Collinite products can do, I had a great big smile on my face and said these words to myself....

"Now I know I got something on the paint!" The next two words were "Oh yeah!"

I look at it like this. If these Paint Coatings are as durable as they claim to be, then I would say there's no fear of using a product like Colly IW over them and having it remove or damage a underlying Ceramic Coating.

As for Hydrophobic Qualities, I would say Colly #845 is no slouch in this regard, as all who've used #845, I'm sure you've been wowed by the insane Beading, that looks to me as good as CQUK, and probably any other Coating product on the market.

When I was applying the #845 with a Meg's Foam Applicator, I could feel that product literally cutting through grime, probably Tree Sap as well, and other Road Grime nasties. The Paint initially felt like Sandpaper.

It was crud that none of those other products I mention above even slightly touched or removed.

When I got through, the paint felt as smooth as if I just Clayed the Truck. And it glowed, very impressive, love you Collinite! Bravo!

With all I've said, I really see no harm-foul in the combination of such products. In fact it might be a very favorable 1-2 punch to maintain and protect the paint

 

[MarkD51]

I did a pristine mint bought new Summit White 2013 ZL-1 Camaro with Colly #845 about 2-1/2 months ago. Car never had been waxed, nothing ever, it's a Garage Queen with only 10K on the Odo.

The owner said it took him about 6 weeks to finally wash the car after, said it was filthy cause his wife was taking it here and there to work.

He said when he washed it, all the bugs plastered on the front end, and mirrors just fell right off! Nothing stuck. He said he was more than very impressed with this product, and he thanked me.

I replied, "Well, you said you wanted something on there that was real good and would last, I could think of none other better at the time"! I reckon I chose wisely! I made another believer and fan of Collinite.

I betcha one day he's going to ask me that the next time I buy some goodies here, to get him a bottle of #845. :dblthumb2:

 

[SWETM]

Forgot to mentioned it would not be any problems with apply IW845 over Reload. If Reload is rather newly applyied the 845 could fail a little sooner. That is just a guess though. It could also lock in the properties with the shine the Reload gives you. And last the longevity of 845.

Collinite makes some pretty great waxes. Interesting that 845 has a cleaning ability. Is it from the carrier solvents or is it a properties it has?
Was so near to pull the trigger on 915. As I have heard you get an awesome looks from it. And I have no longer lasting great looking wax in the arsenal. But then I got an offer for the other wax I stod between and could not skip that offer lol. The 476s is a popular wax to use hear in Sweden. The IW845 has not been much talk or use of. If I where to do alot of vehicals it would be in the arsenal too.

 

[bryanviper]

I would love to try one of their longer lasting waxs however because its a paste it would be a pain to apply with a DA which is what I want to do so I can do it quicker. Maybe I can melt it and put it in a bottle lol

Forgot to mentioned it would not be any problems with apply IW845 over Reload. If Reload is rather newly applyied the 845 could fail a little sooner. That is just a guess though. It could also lock in the properties with the shine the Reload gives you. And last the longevity of 845.

Collinite makes some pretty great waxes. Interesting that 845 has a cleaning ability. Is it from the carrier solvents or is it a properties it has?
Was so near to pull the trigger on 915. As I have heard you get an awesome looks from it. And I have no longer lasting great looking wax in the arsenal. But then I got an offer for the other wax I stod between and could not skip that offer lol. The 476s is a popular wax to use hear in Sweden. The IW845 has not been much talk or use of. If I where to do alot of vehicals it would be in the arsenal too.

 

[PaulMys]

I would love to try one of their longer lasting waxs however because its a paste it would be a pain to apply with a DA which is what I want to do so I can do it quicker. Maybe I can melt it and put it in a bottle lol

The 476s is no pain to apply. Hand or DA.

I prefer hand application because quite frankly, setting the machine down to get into harder to reach areas negates the speed a DA. Plus reloading the pad with wax.

Just my thoughts.

 

[bryanviper]

Did not even think about getting a putty knife or something similar to spread it on the pad of a DA. Oh well, I already ordered 845 and will put a spray nozzle to easily spray on the pad.

The 476s is no pain to apply. Hand or DA.

I prefer hand application because quite frankly, setting the machine down to get into harder to reach areas negates the speed a DA. Plus reloading the pad with wax.

Just my thoughts.

 

[PaulMys]

Did not even think about getting a putty knife or something similar to spread it on the pad of a DA. Oh well, I already ordered 845 and will put a spray nozzle to easily spray on the pad.

Don't bother with a spray nozzle. A flip up dispenser cap works best.

Just make sure the 845 is warm, and shake the hell out of it.

 

[MarkD51]

Forgot to mentioned it would not be any problems with apply IW845 over Reload. If Reload is rather newly applyied the 845 could fail a little sooner. That is just a guess though. It could also lock in the properties with the shine the Reload gives you. And last the longevity of 845.

Collinite makes some pretty great waxes. Interesting that 845 has a cleaning ability. Is it from the carrier solvents or is it a properties it has?
Was so near to pull the trigger on 915. As I have heard you get an awesome looks from it. And I have no longer lasting great looking wax in the arsenal. But then I got an offer for the other wax I stod between and could not skip that offer lol. The 476s is a popular wax to use hear in Sweden. The IW845 has not been much talk or use of. If I where to do alot of vehicals it would be in the arsenal too.

To answer the specific question you asked about #845 having any cleaning ability? As to that, no, I wouldn't say it's a product one should be reaching for as a cleaner type product. There's probably zero in the way of any cleaning components in it.

I believe what I noted, and like you mention, the carrier solvents in #845 were probably dissolving saps in my case. Lots of trees and evergreens are here in this area.

 

[MarkD51]

In a previous post I didn't mean to somehow imply that Reload, C2V3, BF Coating Booster and SiO2 Spray are somehow flawed or junk products.

For the particular task at hand that I had that day, and the condition of the paint, I will just further say they were not particularly "optimal" products to be choosing.

Although Colly #845 worked very well for me this time, I might add that I might've gotten even better end results as far as cleansing ability by choosing a product like Duragloss #501.

Many of you good folks have "schooled me" well to know exactly what needs to be done with my truck at this point in time, and that's a full decon with wash, Iron-X, Claying, full D/A Polish Correction, and re-application of a Coating, preferably again CQuartz.

Just can't do it, no garage, or even a car port to seek cover under right now.

 

[MarkD51]

Did not even think about getting a putty knife or something similar to spread it on the pad of a DA. Oh well, I already ordered 845 and will put a spray nozzle to easily spray on the pad.

Hard to not like Colly #845. I think you'll be pleased with it.

 

[DetailZeus]

[...]SiO2 Spray that I tried seemed to be quite "weak", a watery product, and upon just doing only part of the Hood, I stopped right there.

I try not to judge the quality of a sealant on its viscosity, same deal with shampoos. I do agree with the light cleaning of these waxes, I think is somewhat from rubbing them into the paint when applying.

 

[dlc95]

My opinion and experiences with such are this.

Over my own CQUK Coated Tahoe which was done a good three years ago, and at present have no ability to re-correct, and re-apply CQuartz, throughout these past few years I've used a few number of what were said to be acceptable products to help maintain the coating, and hopefully make it last as long as possible.

Overall, I've been very happy with the results and protection CQUK provided me. But like anything, it's not going to last forever, so.

I've commonly used Carpro Reload, from as soon as an hour after CQUK application and for the next following 2 years, nothing else applied.

At about the 2 year mark I decided to buy and try GTechniq C2V3 as a topper. Worked OK, similar in many regards to Reload I thought, and figure is seemed to last about the same length of time as well. Maybe two months.

Then most recently I bought both Blackfire Coating Booster, and SiO2 Spray. And I've tried them both. Again I suspected a similar time frame of longevity, looks, and other properties like Reload-C2V3, and I seem to be correct. That these types of products were not designed to be highly durable, just bring back some of the fresh qualities of a Ceramic Coating.

SiO2 Spray that I tried seemed to be quite "weak", a watery product, and upon just doing only part of the Hood, I stopped right there.

I turned around, and grabbed a bottle of IW-845 and applied. After I applied, removed and felt and inspected the paint, again felt the rock hard turtle shell finish that now was there, and the assurance that I've known for literal decades about what Collinite products can do, I had a great big smile on my face and said these words to myself....

"Now I know I got something on the paint!" The next two words were "Oh yeah!"

I look at it like this. If these Paint Coatings are as durable as they claim to be, then I would say there's no fear of using a product like Colly IW over them and having it remove or damage a underlying Ceramic Coating.

As for Hydrophobic Qualities, I would say Colly #845 is no slouch in this regard, as all who've used #845, I'm sure you've been wowed by the insane Beading, that looks to me as good as CQUK, and probably any other Coating product on the market.

When I was applying the #845 with a Meg's Foam Applicator, I could feel that product literally cutting through grime, probably Tree Sap as well, and other Road Grime nasties. The Paint initially felt like Sandpaper.

It was crud that none of those other products I mention above even slightly touched or removed.

When I got through, the paint felt as smooth as if I just Clayed the Truck. And it glowed, very impressive, love you Collinite! Bravo!

With all I've said, I really see no harm-foul in the combination of such products. In fact it might be a very favorable 1-2 punch to maintain and protect the paint

Now THAT is a story of great satisfaction.

I recently got a brand new bottle of M21, and the difference in performance is night and day compared to the old stock I bought ten years ago. I've washed it a couple times, and we just went through a huge rain storm with it, and it looks like it was just washed.

I said the same thing to my gf - "Oh yeah, M21 baby!" She is always happier about the rainx....

But I can identify with that feeling for sure!