Compound you recommend?

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I used to use Malco products but I am now looking for different products so I placed an order on numerous products except I still love Malco complete non acid cleaner for tires and rims. As well as some of their glass, interior cleaners, carpet cleaner. I ordered the Griots 3" as you recommended to apply wax which I love Collinite 915 along with Klasse sealant. I ordered the Poor boys tire bright with the DP sample to try for the tire shine as well as Turtle Waxes tire kit. The nanoscrub system I ordered to try it out with the hand applicator until I order the Griots 6". Most importantly I ordered your book. My question is what are good compounds that you recommend? Thanks
 
Since I'm not Mike Phillips:
There'll be no compound recommendation forthcoming.

However:
Barberton, OH sends their regards.


Bob
 
Megs 105 or Menzerna FG400. I am migrating away from the former and using much more of the latter although they are both excellent compounds ime.
 
I've used Meguiars Ultimate Compound and Blackfire SRC Compound with good success.
 
Meguiars M105 is a great compound that will need a finish polish after. I believe it uses SMAT (super micro abrasive technology).

There are DAT (Diminishing abrasive products) that cut like a compound and finish like a finishing polish. An example would be uber compound or menz fg400.

What kind of vehicle are you working on and what color?
 
I've used several 105, 101, fixer, UC, Optimum Hyper Compound and Menzerna FG400. Out of those when heavier cut is needed I prefer FG 400. When I don't need as much cut Optimum. UC isn't bad either if you don't need a heavy cut.
 
HYPER COMPOUND

pad dependent, no dust, works forever, finishes GREAT...love it.

just gotta switch it to squeeze bottles though imo because unless you are using it every day, that sprayer sucks. well, it sucks anyway but i think it might be able to be salvaged if you are using it more frequently. dunno.
 
Love the Optimum Hyper Compound but think the spray head is far less impressive. The downside of the Optimum is it lacks some of the cut of 105 but is far nicer to work with. I have not tried the traditional Optimum Compound but could be a very good alternative to some of the more popular products.

I guess the compound I like more than any other I have tried is the Megs 101. Its ability to finish down is simply impressive plus it has a long work time (if required) and very low levels of dusting. M101 can also be used as a medium polish and it still works very well. The Menzerna FG400 seems to be highly regarded but I have not tried it
 
The Ultimate Compound is the most versatile compound in my books (and FG400 of course).
 
For very heavy cutting, Americana Amerirock or 101 from Meguiar's.

For heavy cutting, 3D HD ADAPT.
 
My car is 7 years old I take good care of it but it has some light swirls and a few minor scratches what compound would I use? It looks like the ones mentioned doesn't matter how light or heavy the scratches are? What would you recommend for light scratches more in clearcoat and swirls compound/polish. What would you recommend for heavy scratches like my brothers 15 yr old car that needs the shine back.
 
I used to use Malco products but I am now looking for different products

I know the Malco name, I'm pretty sure I seen their product in detail shops, body shops and dealerships the three years I covered Oregon, Washington and Idaho as an Outside Sales Rep and Trainer for Meguiar's.


Most importantly I ordered your book.

Thank you for our purchase and your trust.


The Complete Guide to a Show Car Shine

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I'm confident that if you read it from cover to cover you'll learn a lot and in most cases know more than most self-taught detailers or detailers that don't hang out on discussion forums. I put a lot of work and thinking into all my books because I know the crowd on the Internet is a tough crowd to please but I'm not scared to put what I know onto paper and subject it to peer review. Certainly don't see anyone else doing it. So thank you.



My question is what are good compounds that you recommend?

Thanks


When I worked for Meguiar's that was easy as taking a walk through the park. I represented one brand and recommended one brand. In the detailing classes I taught at Meguiar's I only had to show one brand and only one or two tool.

Here at Autogeek I represent over 70 brands and show all the best of the best tools. It's a MUCH harder job but I love the challenge and again it certainly makes my days teaching classes at Meguiar's incredibly easy as compared to what I teach in my current 3-day detailing boot camp classes.


That all said, I rarely make simple one brand recommendations because there are a LOT of really good compounds on the market. For anyone reading this right now that also reads any of my other posts on this forum you'll have noticed I used the two word term,

Abrasive Technology

a LOT when I write and talk about polishing paint.

And there's a reason. While some guys say,

Technique is #1


I always respectfully say I disagree.


Technique is important but it's pretty easy to figure out that if you're using junk for abrasive technology that is the abrasives are leaving their own defects in the paint as you use them, then it doesn't matter how great you and your technique are you're still going to get bad results.

A few years ago a new compound entered the market. I tested it on black paint and wrote a full review for the manufacturer to let them know, actually warn them that the product was horrible and it could not be used as the label stated by hand or machine. Took high resolution pictures showing them the results of using their product on BLACK paint by hand and multiple machines and pads and also did this against a benchmark compound known for it's quality abrasive technology in the industry.

The person I sent my findings to replied back and told me I didn't now what I was talking about.

Interestingly enough... they launched the product anyways and as of today no one uses it, no one talks about it and it's dying on the vine.


So while I rarely box myself into a canyon with specific recommendations out of respect for the professional relationship I have with all the companies Autogeek represents and specifically for the brands that offer great compounds, I do make recommendations for groups of products I trust and did so in my book,



How to use the Flex XC3401 VRG Dual Action Orbital Polisher

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The Flex 3401 is a powerful forced rotation and forced oscillation tool and while it excels at correction and polishing when used with great abrasive technology it will scour the heck out of paint when used with caveman abrasive technology.

To help my readers, (and customers of the book), and because Flex doesn't offer any of their own compounds and polishes, (like Rupes), I recommended a selection of compounds that use good abrasive technology and that can be used with not only the Flex but probably any dual action polisher with the right pad on any paint and you'll get great results.

I list them and show a picture of them on page 28 of the Flex book. I just took this picture using my cell phone and uploaded to show the picture on page 28 - sorry it's kind of dark but you can get the idea.


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There's,

Meguiar's
Mothers
Blackfire
Sonax
Wolfgang
Optimum
Pinnacle
Menzerna


All of the above brands use good abrasive technology in their compounds and polishes and even cleaner/waxes. There are other brand to but I can't show everything in a single how-to book.


Since it sounds like you're going to purchase a Griot's Garage 6" DA Polisher if you want to get a compound that I show on TV all the time and switched Wayne Carini's F40.com restoration shop over to then get the Pinnacle Compound. It will work with anything on anything and consistently give you show car results.

Demonstrated that just last Thursday night....


1971 Dodge Charger R/T - 1940 Oldsmobile Streetrod shine by Pinnacle


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Had a few witnesses too....

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Demonstrated it live for TV on a 1931 Ford Highboy and this car was featured just recently in Streetrodder Magazine.

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I finished buffing out just this small segment and then after we finished shooting the segment the camera guys came in and captured before and after using my iPhone again. We didn't get any side-by-side before and after shots so you'll have to watch this episode to see the side-by-side results.

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One thing I tell people when it comes to polishing paint... don't skimp on compounds and polishes.

Paint is thin and easily scratched. Besides this the last thing you want to do is to do a job over a second time because you didn't get it right the first time.


Clearcoats are thin by Mike Phillips

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Whatever you use... be sure to clean your pad often as you work around the car.

Always work clean.


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Thanks for all of the help. I will look into Pinnacle which one in their product line for swirls, light scratches? Would it be the advnced line? Also any advice to keep the pads clean as you mentioned?
 
Thanks for all of the help. I will look into Pinnacle which one in their product line for swirls, light scratches? Would it be the advnced line? Also any advice to keep the pads clean as you mentioned?

Yes, I used the Advanced line of Pinnacle products for most of the show car work and even daily drivers I work on.

Cleaning your pad is using a nylon brush to scrap off residue or this,


How to clean your foam pad on the fly


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HYPER COMPOUND...just gotta switch it to squeeze bottles though imo because unless you are using it every day, that sprayer sucks. well, it sucks anyway but i think it might be able to be salvaged if you are using it more frequently. dunno.

Love the Optimum Hyper Compound but think the spray head is far less impressive. I have not tried the traditional Optimum Compound but could be a very good alternative.

I took Chris Thomas's advice about the sprayer ("spray it like you mean it") and don't really have any problems with it (what he meant is don't try to do partial sprays, you have to give it a full stroke). The problem with that is typically by the end of a session you have sprayed your forearm, the machine, the wall, the window of the car, etc.

My question would be if you are going to resort to putting an OPT Hyper (sprayable) product into a squeeze bottle, is there a point in doing that rather than just using the lotion version as Lowejackson suggests?
 
I took Chris Thomas's advice about the sprayer ("spray it like you mean it") and don't really have any problems with it (what he meant is don't try to do partial sprays, you have to give it a full stroke). The problem with that is typically by the end of a session you have sprayed your forearm, the machine, the wall, the window of the car, etc.

My question would be if you are going to resort to putting an OPT Hyper (sprayable) product into a squeeze bottle, is there a point in doing that rather than just using the lotion version as Lowejackson suggests?

Early last year I bought a bottle of GPS. First spray head failed on first spray, that was ok I accept things can break. Second spray head works very well on first spray and then the trigger gets stuck on second spray. This can be fixed by removing the spray head and eventually spraying as much as possible back into the bottle. At this point the whole thing starts again and so by the end of the first panel I have moved onto another product. This is a shame as I think the product is very good.

I would love to say the Hyper Compound sprayer works any better but alas I cannot. I have shaken the bottle heavily, put it in a pan of warm water to try and decrease the viscosity and adjusted the spray pattern by moving it the width of one atom at a time but I either get a stream of liquid or one great spray and then a stream of compound or no output.

My hands are not as strong as they used to be and so maybe my lack of ultimate strength is hindering my progress. The thing which is most frustrating is the liquids are really first class products.

Just as an aside, the first time I used GPS was by hand application on some piano black speakers. Went on very well but was awful to remove and so it was not touched for many months. Tried it again and again it was not easy to remove, then I tried the very last resort of all men, I read the instructions. Turns out Optimum say the product should be removed with a damp (not dry) cloth and after following the instructions the product was indeed very easy to remove. Spray head still is weak point though
 
We've gotten kind of off-topic here, but I'm not sure we're all talking about the same sprayers, OPT stuff used to come with those little black sprayers that aren't very good, the sprayable polishes that I have come with a white sprayer that as you noted is difficult to adjust, but I have never had one stick or break. The latest bottle of OCW I got has a better and bigger black sprayer, these (like the smaller black sprayers) have a rotating 4-position nozzle for spray, stream, off and off.
 
I've heard a lot of people having problems with the sprayers. I close mine when I'm done with them and I have never had a problem. Maybe just lucky, or maybe closing the bottles helps. I've refilled my original Hyper Polish twice now, bottle still works fine.
 
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