D151, PB black hole, 845?

[Edse30]

Quick question, I have corrected a couple of black cars but I'm not sure about my steps.
So wash, dry, clay, qd the whole car, tape, d151(AIO), poorboys black hole glaze for the extra pop, col 845 for longevity.
Although the results have been awesome! I'm not sure the glaze after the aio is correct since d151 is leaving some wax behind and not sure if the glaze will bond right. Add to that, if the PBBH glaze wont stick, will the 845 not bond either?
Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[truckbutt]

What does the manufacturer recommend on the bottle? Some glazes can be used before and after a wax. There won't be any problems with the 845 afterwards.

 

[bmwgalore]

I love the Black Hole stuff!

Yes, It can the topped with a wax. I've been topping it with FK1000p. amazing results. i don't like 845, looks awful and it's overrated, but it IS compatible with the glaze, no problem.

As for D151, it has wax in the formula, so I'm not sure the glaze will blend properly to the surface. I'd skip the AIO.

 

[Ohio Detailing]

Quick question, I have corrected a couple of black cars but I'm not sure about my steps.
So wash, dry, clay, qd the whole car, tape, d151(AIO), poorboys black hole glaze for the extra pop, col 845 for longevity.
Although the results have been awesome! I'm not sure the glaze after the aio is correct since d151 is leaving some wax behind and not sure if the glaze will bond right. Add to that, if the PBBH glaze wont stick, will the 845 not bond either?
Thanks in advance for your help.

I've been reading up on Black Hole, and it seems some opinions are it's the BEST at temporarily hiding defects (scratches and swirls) until paint correction can be done. I tried Meg's #7 glaze, even applied it thin and super-thick, and I'm just not impressed with the results. I want something to use before going to a car-club meeting or something that will enhance the gloss and make my paint look perfect for a day, even if I have small hairline scratches etc.

PS: Is this only true of black/dark colored cars? If so, are any glazes celebrated for doing this function on lighter, or all colors of cars?

 

[Edse30]

Thanks for the responses. The label doesn't say anything about how to prep the paint before glazing other than polishing.
And sounds like the 845 will lock it in there just fine I guess I have nothing to worry about.

Follow up question: I just picked up a bottle of optimum spray wax. It claims to last up to 5mo and it looks super easy to apply plus all the crazy good reviews its gotten here. My question is, would that replace my colinite 845 in this process?
Thanks again for your help.

 

[bmwgalore]

PS: Is this only true of black/dark colored cars? If so, are any glazes celebrated for doing this function on lighter, or all colors of cars?

Is, Black Hole is for darker cars.

For lighter color cars, Poorboy's has the White Diamond Glaze, just as awesome as BH.


Is you seal the glaze with Finish Kare 1000p, it will last months, not days.

 

[Edse30]

I agree with the above. I have both black hole and white diamond and the label says for darker/lighter paint colors, respectively, so not only black/white cars can benefit from these awesome glazes.

 

[Ohio Detailing]

Follow up question: I just picked up a bottle of optimum spray wax. It claims to last up to 5mo and it looks super easy to apply plus all the crazy good reviews its gotten here.

5 months? No way, respectfully as I can say that. It is a great product, I buy it by the gallon and use it often, I enjoy it and spray it right on top of my just-applied Carnauba paste wax for added gloss and depth and it reduces the chance I left behind any smears or residue. I then use a spray detailer as a final step to double-check the car(s) and ensure I left behind no residue or streaks. Shake it very well first!

Is, Black Hole is for darker cars.

For lighter color cars, Poorboy's has the White Diamond Glaze, just as awesome as BH.


Is you seal the glaze with Finish Kare 1000p, it will last months, not days.

I agree with the above. I have both black hole and white diamond and the label says for darker/lighter paint colors, respectively, so not only black/white cars can benefit from these awesome glazes.

THANK YOU BOTH! I will keep both on hand, I like to apply glazes by hand, is this ok, or is this a huge difference with machine application? I guess I assumed since they are a pure polish product meant to mask defects basically, it's only conditioning the paint and won't add any benefit to apply by machine?

I have never considered Poor Boy's product before, but Black Hole and White Diamond sound great - my Mustang is Vapor Metallic Silver, so sounds perfect.

Do any other companies make glazes that are also renowned for their ability to cover-up little things on light and/or dark cars? I am THROUGH with Meg's #7, I can never tell I applied it, and I've given it more than one chance!

PS: Sealants over a glaze, NICE SUGGESTION! I was always told sealants "HAVE" to go right onto freshly stripped paint with Dawn or Citrus Wash and Gloss, and everything else goes ontop of a sealant since a sealant bonds directly to the paint and adding anything between the paint and a sealant like an oily thick glaze would hinder that?

 

[bmwgalore]

5 months? No way, respectfully as I can say that. It is a great product, I buy it by the gallon and use it often, I enjoy it and spray it right on top of my just-applied Carnauba paste wax for added gloss and depth and it reduces the chance I left behind any smears or residue. I then use a spray detailer as a final step to double-check the car(s) and ensure I left behind no residue or streaks. Shake it very well first!





THANK YOU BOTH! I will keep both on hand, I like to apply glazes by hand, is this ok, or is this a huge difference with machine application? I guess I assumed since they are a pure polish product meant to mask defects basically, it's only conditioning the paint and won't add any benefit to apply by machine?

I have never considered Poor Boy's product before, but Black Hole and White Diamond sound great - my Mustang is Vapor Metallic Silver, so sounds perfect.

Do any other companies make glazes that are also renowned for their ability to cover-up little things on light and/or dark cars? I am THROUGH with Meg's #7, I can never tell I applied it, and I've given it more than one chance!

PS: Sealants over a glaze, NICE SUGGESTION! I was always told sealants "HAVE" to go right onto freshly stripped paint with Dawn or Citrus Wash and Gloss, and everything else goes ontop of a sealant since a sealant bonds directly to the paint and adding anything between the paint and a sealant like an oily thick glaze would hinder that?

- Yes, it can be applied by hand, but a DA with a blue pad will hide the swirls much better.
Think of it like a very ugly girl doing her own make up, she will look "okay"... Now think of a professional doing her make-up, she will look gorgeous, not just "okay"..

- Yes, Menzerna also makes a good glaze, but it doesn't have the "wow!" factor the Poorboy has.
Chemical Guys also has a great glaze GlossWorks if I'm not mistaken, but BH and WD still have the edge, specially when combined with Finish Kare 1000p

- Yes, sealant over glaze is nice, and I've been doing it for a while, just because my Maybach 57s has been polished so many times that the clear coat is down to 101 microns thick, It can't be polished any longer, so a glaze is the way to go.

Post some before and after shots.

 

[Edse30]

here's a 96 Acura NSX that i did a couple of weeks back. It had been stored for a few years and it had all sorts of swirls, water marks, etc. I used the above process with my little pcxp and got stunning results.

before:

after:

Customer was very exited to say the least, he drove the car the whole follwing week and got a bunch of complimets...shoulda printed some business cards and given him a few, lesson learned.

So how long do you expect the OCW to las if not the "up to 5 months" shown on the bottle?

 

[Ohio Detailing]

- Yes, it can be applied by hand, but a DA with a blue pad will hide the swirls much better.
Think of it like a very ugly girl doing her own make up, she will look "okay"... Now think of a professional doing her make-up, she will look gorgeous, not just "okay"..

- Yes, Menzerna also makes a good glaze, but it doesn't have the "wow!" factor the Poorboy has.
Chemical Guys also has a great glaze GlossWorks if I'm not mistaken, but BH and WD still have the edge, specially when combined with Finish Kare 1000p

- Yes, sealant over glaze is nice, and I've been doing it for a while, just because my Maybach 57s has been polished so many times that the clear coat is down to 101 microns thick, It can't be polished any longer, so a glaze is the way to go.

Post some before and after shots.

Thank you so much for your help and advice, I need to toss my old foam pads and get a new batch, but I keep dragging my feet because I really want to buy the next FLEX 3401 I believe it's called, seems to be the best out there for DA. My Makita is amazing, but it's pretty aggressive to say the least.

I'm blown away that sealants can be applied after a glaze. I always think of glazes as super weak oily sacrificial sheaths of thin protection that kind of 'mask' defects for a very short time, and then dissipate, and that applying anything with a buffer would just 'rub it away.'

here's a 96 Acura NSX that i did a couple of weeks back. It had been stored for a few years and it had all sorts of swirls, water marks, etc. I used the above process with my little pcxp and got stunning results.

So how long do you expect the OCW to las if not the "up to 5 months" shown on the bottle?

Your pictures look GREAT, well done. As far as longevity, I have been through almost an entire gallon of Optimum's spray wax, and I'd say I cannot see any protection after three months whatsoever on daily driver cars, really, I could be hugely mistaken, but I can't see any spray-on product based mostly around carnauba lasting nearly half a year. That's one of those "up to" marketing lines companies use, meaning in perfect situations, Spray Wax CAN last that long if you apply it in a vacuum and then store the car in a museum for 5 months, haha.