Detailing a 10+ year old car. Newbie. Products?

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I bought a 2003 Honda Element with 142k miles and for it's age it was well taken car of. Definitely not hand washed as there are plenty of scratches/swirls in the paint along with a handful of small door dings, but overall the car is clean and the prior owner did a good job of keeping the car in what I would consider better than average condition. Yes, I do realise the Element is an ugly car and you're probably wondering why I'd want to waste my time on this car - but like I said earlier, I'm using it to learn how to perform paint correction as well as serving as my trial mule for products - if they pass the test then they get to go onto the BMW.

I have been using Zaino for about eight+ years on my cars and have been pleased with the performance and ease of application. Up to now I did everything by hand and have never used a DA polisher to perform paint correction or apply/remove product to my cars. I've debated getting a DA in the past but never took the plunge. Compared to others on this forum my standards for how I keep my exterior may be less stringent, but compared to the average person I'm still anal retentive about how my car looks. In general, so long as it's clean, shiny, and water beads off of it I'm a happy camper. That being said, I just bought a second car as a daily commuter and would like to experiment with using a DA polisher to both learn how to use it, as well as to restore the finish on my second vehicle.

Now for the questions to the forum. I know there are plenty of opinions on what products to use as well as how much prep work needs to go into the whole process, so let me bound the problem.

1) Here is what I'm looking to achieve:
- I'm looking to take a finish that has never been polished, get rid of most of the swirl and scratches, and get it looking nice and shiny - it does NOT have to be perfect, but it does need to look good. Keep in mind that this is a daily driver, it will never be in a car show, it will be kept outdoors.
- For the paint correction I would prefer to stick with one system: Menzerna or CG.
- For the polish afterwards I will use either Zaino or Duragloss. I'm leaning towards DG as I've used Zaino and I'm looking to try something new that will still hold up nicely but is cheaper.
- For the DA polisher I'm going with the GG 6" or PC 6".

2) Here's what I need from the forum. For the outcome I described above can you tell me exactly what products I will need? I basically am looking for a list of product names/part numbers I should go buy to get started.
- Before performing paint correction I will clay bar the car. In the past I used the Zaino bar, but do you have other recommendations?
- What Menzerna/CG products will I need fore the paint correction?
- What size backing plate, pads should I get for the DA. How many pads?
- GG or PC DA, which would you pick?
- What other products will I need, such as ONR to lubricate during claying, spray bottles? etc.

I really appreciate your input!
 
1) From what I have read, a lot of people dont seem to like the CG system, and everyone seems to love Menzerna. I personally use Meguiars Ultimate (compound and polish), as it is very user friendly, and gives pretty good results. The cars I work on are all daily drivers, so im never looking for 100% correction. If you are looking for a long lasting wax/sealant, Collinite #845 is truly amazing. It looks good, and lasts a very long time. DA Polisher... i would recommend the GG, based on what I have read here. I have the PC, but always wish it had more power... exactly what the GG has.

2) Dont forget Iron-X. Backing plate, you should definitely get a 5". I use at least 2 pads for compounding, 2 for polishing, and 1 for wax/sealant application. I personally use CCS pads, and have been happy. (Orange, Green, Black). I lubricate using my car wash... its cheaper.

Not trying to talk you out of Menzerna, but like I said, for a beginner, MEgs Ultimate Line is sooo user friendly. This is the first car I ever touched with my PC. It's surely a beater, but shows the results you can get, with Megs Ultimate.

Paint Correction - Album on Imgur (Honda)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/84074-correcting-terrible-paint.html (grand marquis - MF pad)
 
Proud 2009 OBP Element owner here. It's no way ugly ... it's beautiful in its functionality!


I use the Rupes system, and have no experience with Menzerna or CG. But I've been around long enough to know that Menzerna is THE name in polishes. CG? Probably okay, but go for Menzerna.

You'll find lots of fans for both the GG and PC polishers. Take your pick; of the two, I would choose the GG for its more powerful motor. Get a few pads each for compounding and polishing. I use just a single finishing pad for LSP application (but I've since switched to a coating).

I use both clay and a clay alternative towel. IMO, brand doesn't matter here. Get fine grade. I use Meguiar's D114 Express Wash as clay lube, or my car soap if I am doing a foam cannon wash.

Welcome to AGO.
 
I will say these 2 things.
1. Go with the GG it is a much better machine between the 2
2. I have just finished using for the first time Menz SF4000 and just to do a comparision I used the same set up with Meguiars Ultimate Polish and felt they were VERY VERY close in all important categories (Ease of use, working time, results) the car is tan so take that for what its worth.

Im not sure I would spend MORE on Menz but that is not me saying that Menz is bad at all. Meguiar's Ultimate Compound/Polish or 105/205 should make you very happy with your DD and not take alot of your money.
 
All personal opinion of course

DA - GG by far
Clay - get a nanoskin and never look back
Correction - menz 400/4000 or hd cut/polish
Pads - get as many orange and white pads as you can afford.

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All personal opinion of course

DA - GG by far
Clay - get a nanoskin and never look back
Correction - menz 400/4000 or hd cut/polish
Pads - get as many orange and white pads as you can afford.

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I could live with this. Good choices.
 
I appreciate all the great feedback. Based on the responses it seems like the GG 6" is the way to go. As for the paint correction I think for the DD I'll start out with the Megs Ultimate system and pass on the Menzerna for now. I really would like to try the Menzerna, but maybe I'll figure out what I'm doing first and then get some SF4000 later in the year and give it a shot on the BMW. Money is a bit tight right now so if the Meg's products are going to be sufficient for the DD then that's the way I'll go.

tw33k2514 you suggested a nanoskin instead of the clay bar, any brand recommendations? I'm not familiar with the nanoskin so excuse my lack of knowledge regarding the matter.

Any brand recommendations for the pads? kevin_1981 recommended CCS and I've already seen people using Lake Country pads. Does the brand matter that much?

trekkeruss nice Element! The white looks SHARP. Mine is a beige, so not as nice, but my BMW is white. Always have liked white cars!

Thanks for all the input!
 
Since money is tight take a look at the Nanoskin sponge--it comes in fine and medium. Nanoskin Autoscrub Speedy Prep Sponge

Don't forget to buy a 5" backing plate for you GG 8mm DA so you can use 5.5" pads (less expensive and more versitile and effective)

And get enough pads--at least 4 for compounding, 4 for polishing and one for each LSP you plan to use. If you try to do an entire car with one or two pads you are setting yourself up for failure. And, clean them on the fly often.

You might want to consider Buff & Shine flat 5.5" pads--very durable and they have recessed Velcro that IMO is an added margin of safety when polishing around protruding objects like mirrors, trim etc.
 
trekkeruss nice Element! The white looks SHARP. Mine is a beige, so not as nice, but my BMW is white. Always have liked white cars!

It's actually green! But Honda calls it Omni Blue Pearl ... and in some light it does look white. It's a rather rare color for the Element, as is your Shoreline Mist Metallic Element.

You'll like the Meguiar's Ultimate compound and polish. I used those and Ultimate Wax and Quik Wax before switching to a coating. They're really quite good products; very user-friendly.
 
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