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2029 Ford Mustang Mach-4 Sedan: Everything We Know About the Next Member of the Mustang Family https://share.google/kvVvcDBxaVlghRTJk

This will surely NEVER be in the DFB stable

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That concept reminds me of the Dodge Charger. When Dodge was building the Challenger and the V8 Charger, which was up to 2023 I believe the Charger outsold the Challenger almost 2:1.
 
2029 Ford Mustang Mach-4 Sedan: Everything We Know About the Next Member of the Mustang Family https://share.google/kvVvcDBxaVlghRTJk

This will surely NEVER be in the DFB stable

There have been rumours for decades about a 4-door Mustang, but these latest ones seem to be getting louder. Also, when Jim Farley was in Australia earlier this year, he apparently made a couple of expensive decisions around certain future products. The current rumour suggests a return to a Ranchero/Falcon Ute type of vehicle. So perhaps this will relate back to the Mustang 4-door.

“So this really is an important trip, maybe perhaps among the most important for me as a CEO. We should leave here with a really concrete, specific idea of what our product plan should be for the next 10 years - for the globe, not just Australia.”


The problem I see is they will need to either spend a lot of money adapting the existing Mustang floor pan or end up creating an all-new architecture. The bones of the current Mustang revolve around a platform that is actually quite old now, even if they have modernized it along the way. The floor pan will be their biggest hurdle. Let me explain that........

That long hood and stubby tail proportion that MAKES the Mustang a Mustang will be hard to work around without creating something ugly. The seating layout of the coupe have the front seats mounted almost over the rear axle. To create a meaningful rear seat with 2 extra doors will require another floor pan, which is extremely expensive to execute on a unibody chassis as it changes pretty much everything that bolts to and around it.

So, do they invest in an aged architecture just to make another body style, then have it look awkward and locked out of future powertrains. Or do they pony up (pun intended) the cash and finally create a truly new modular RWD platform that can be scaled into a variety of models. They were actually meant to do that for S650 by using the then-new RWD Explorer platform. The Mustang fans thought that meant a SUV platform for the Mustang, but in reality, it was about bringing Mustang in line with other Ford products to make it more profitable by sharing the really expensive to engineer parts like electrical systems, firewall to front suspension pickups. But they went cheap and re-used the ancient S550 bones.

I think if Ford is going to do this, they need to do it properly and stop the band-aid engineering. Anyone remember when Ford decided sedans weren't worth investment and killed them all off, even though some of them sold well? And as an Aussie, I'm still a little bitter over them shutting down the only part of the Ford empire that had experience in RWD sedans. And now they want a RWD sedan? I'm not the only one in the Australian Ford community that feels like that, many won't go near a 4-door Mustang for those reasons. And if it did come here, the target audience will be BMW, Audi and Mercedes, not past or present Ford buyers. Want proof of that? A Mustang GT fastback is at least a $95,000 purchase here, which takes it away traditional Ford buyers.

Sorry if that comes off as negative, but I've watched Ford regress over the last decade, to the point where they are being crushed by competition coming out of China, Thailand, and Korea. And they just let it happen.

On a positive side, I see Ford will pump $715 million into Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario, which makes the Coyote V8 for use in Mustang and F-150. That's a huge sum of money for what is considered a dirty powertrain. Clearly Ford see it as an important part of their business.

 
Farley has his head up his ass, (remember his F150 EV trip in the USA?). So do GM and Stellantis, (Dodge and Chrysler in the USA). They all got rid of their affordable small sedans in the USA and gave that market to Toyota and Honda. They put all their eggs in the SUV and EV baskets.

Stellantis, for some reason, believed that Americans would buy overpriced, re-badged European vehicles. Idiots. Their new CEO does appear trying to turn things around. Time will tell.

I wish you luck in Australia. Ford appears to be going after short-term profits.

GM put the pressure on Ford to keep their V8 with the Corvette.

Dodge is bringing the V8 back big time. Right now it's in trucks. The Charger is a dud, the V8 won't save it until it's redesigned. New platforms are coming.

For Dodge, the message in the USA is clear. They can tout how much "better" the Hurricane is until the cows come home, it won't matter. People want V8 motors. It appears they are listening.
 
Farley has his head up his ass, (remember his F150 EV trip in the USA?). So do GM and Stellantis, (Dodge and Chrysler in the USA). They all got rid of their affordable small sedans in the USA and gave that market to Toyota and Honda. They put all their eggs in the SUV and EV baskets.

Stellantis, for some reason, believed that Americans would buy overpriced, re-badged European vehicles. Idiots. Their new CEO does appear trying to turn things around. Time will tell.

I wish you luck in Australia. Ford appears to be going after short-term profits.

Ford are screwed here, 100% caused by their actions over the last decade. The only products in that time that have sold without effort have been Ranger, Everest and Mustang. Ranger was number 1 last year. So when a model failed to fire, they just put it in the too hard basket and killed it rather supporting and building an audience for the model. Over the last decade, the following models have been axed -

Falcon
Falcon Ute
Territory (Explorer-sized SUV)
Mondeo (Fusion)
Escape
Endura (Edge)
EcoSport (junk anyway)
Fiesta
Focus
Puma

The current model lineup -

Ranger
Ranger Super Duty
Everest (Ranger SUV)
Transit
Mustang
Mustang Mach-E
F-150 (converted in AU to right-hand drive with abysml quality)

Because of the current fuel restrictions, diesel has skyrocketed in price over and above petrol (gas). Apart from the Mustang's and F-150, Ford AU's entire lineup is diesel powered. There is a hybrid Ranger, but they overpriced it and they sat on dealer lots. When the fuel crisis hit, Ford sold out on a very limited supply of Ranger hybrid and now can't get enough. So not only does 90% of their sales revolve around one model line, Ranger and Everest, they are all diesel powered. And there is no true entry to the brand to bring in new customers. The cheapest Ford you can buy is a Ranger XL single cab at $46,000 AUD, that gets you plastic floor and an anemic 2.0 diesel.

And the while, the countless Chinese brands have flooded the market with junk. Ford have no answer to that, and IF they do, it will all be too late by the time they respond.

I highly doubt I'll ever buy another Ford. The quality is appalling, everything is way over priced, and the company doesn't give a shit about their customers, especially outside of the home market.
 
Farley has his head up his ass, (remember his F150 EV trip in the USA?). So do GM and Stellantis, (Dodge and Chrysler in the USA). They all got rid of their affordable small sedans in the USA and gave that market to Toyota and Honda. They put all their eggs in the SUV and EV baskets.

Stellantis, for some reason, believed that Americans would buy overpriced, re-badged European vehicles. Idiots. Their new CEO does appear trying to turn things around. Time will tell.

I wish you luck in Australia. Ford appears to be going after short-term profits.

GM put the pressure on Ford to keep their V8 with the Corvette.

Dodge is bringing the V8 back big time. Right now it's in trucks. The Charger is a dud, the V8 won't save it until it's redesigned. New platforms are coming.

For Dodge, the message in the USA is clear. They can tout how much "better" the Hurricane is until the cows come home, it won't matter. People want V8 motors. It appears they are listening.
I read a study recently that younger drivers want sedans. They don’t need the space or the ability to tow. Now the Americans don’t have a model among them for affordable sendans. It’s all Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, Honda. To a lesser extend Mazda and VW
 
I read a study recently that younger drivers want sedans. They don’t need the space or the ability to tow. Now the Americans don’t have a model among them for affordable sendans. It’s all Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, Honda. To a lesser extend Mazda and VW


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Spotted that the other day. I was quite surprised to hear the first guy nominate the Barra, although probably not my first choice.

Best sounding Ford engine, shock horror, would be three of their V8's. Most think exhaust note with V8's, but I'm more into induction, and these three reflect that. I won't order them because they all have a uniqueness.


351 Cleveland V8 - In standard form, these were all about torque not sound. But when opened up with a decent exhaust, the Cleveland has such a hard-edged metallic howl. The induction note is amazing.



Modular 4V V8 - This applies to any of the 4.6 or 5.4 modular V8's fitted with the DOHC cylinder heads. There is such a creamy smoothness to those engines with a classic Ford V8 soundtrack. The 4.6 Mustang Cobra and the FPV 5.4 BOSS 260/290/302/315 engines used in the Falcon have delicious induction note and a lovely exhaust warble.


Coyote 5.0 V8 Gen III onward - This references the direct injected version used in the 2018+ Mustang. And yes, you read right, I prefer the sound of the Coyote over the 5.2 Voodoo. Nothing against the Voodoo, but it sounds like its tearing itself apart. The Coyote exhaust note can be raspy, but I mostly like it for that hard edged induction note, especially as its coming towards you.

 
I recently published an article on the rinse-less washes I reach for most often, plus a wildcard no one talks about. Those products include Optimum No Rinse (and a mention of the Opti-Coat version), ADS Hero, and P&S Absolute. The wildcard being Gyeon Eco Wash.



Gyeon Eco Wash is a rinse-less/waterless wash concentrate that contains SiO2 for added gloss and slickness. That SiO2 element puts it in the same camp as products like ADS Hero, though in practice Eco Wash sits closer to something like Carpro ECH2O — by that I mean it leans more toward waterless washing and detail-spray duty than the outright cleaning power some rinse-less washes can offer. That doesn't make Eco Wash a dud, you just need to be mindful of its capabilities and match it to what you actually need.

After publishing that article, a follower reached out with a suggestion about Eco Wash. Mixed at 1:15 to 1:20, it makes an excellent drying aid and light-duty interior cleaner. So, after washing the Ranger today, I gave it a go as my drying aid.





In this case, I mixed Eco Wash at 1:15 — 30ml of product to 470ml of demineralised water. At that dilution, and including the cost of the water, a 500ml bottle works out to $1.67. For reference, a 473ml bottle of ADS Amplify is $35.95 + shipping. In practice, I wouldn't say Eco Wash is as slick as Amplify, but it flashes off nicely and leaves a decently slick, glossy finish. It works fine on paint, glass, and trim, and like ECH2O, adds a bit of richness to black plastics.

I haven't tried it on interior surfaces myself, but contrary to what you might expect, I'm told it doesn't leave a glossy finish there — instead it leaves a clean, rich finish, which is generally what you want on interior trims.

The idea that rinse-less concentrates are multi-purpose products definitely holds up. That said, you do give up something when using them outside their core role. As a drying aid, I'd personally say you leave 10–20% on the table when it comes to slickness, gloss, and towel feel. A dedicated product will always be more targeted.
 
Try Absolute at 1:64 for a drying aid. Its my go to. Stopped using anything with si02 in it as a drying aid. If i want to add protection i do it after the wash is finished on a dry surface. Vowed not to ruin any more drying towels.
Absolute works great as a drying aid.
 
Try Absolute at 1:64 for a drying aid. Its my go to. Stopped using anything with si02 in it as a drying aid. If i want to add protection i do it after the wash is finished on a dry surface. Vowed not to ruin any more drying towels.
Absolute works great as a drying aid.

I'm a big fan of Absolute, even defended it when people said it was finicky. I've tried it a few times as a drying aid, but it just didn't gel for me. I do see the appeal of it in that role though.
 
Farley has his head up his ass, (remember his F150 EV trip in the USA?). So do GM and Stellantis, (Dodge and Chrysler in the USA). They all got rid of their affordable small sedans in the USA and gave that market to Toyota and Honda. They put all their eggs in the SUV and EV baskets.

Stellantis, for some reason, believed that Americans would buy overpriced, re-badged European vehicles. Idiots. Their new CEO does appear trying to turn things around. Time will tell.

I wish you luck in Australia. Ford appears to be going after short-term profits.

GM put the pressure on Ford to keep their V8 with the Corvette.

Dodge is bringing the V8 back big time. Right now it's in trucks. The Charger is a dud, the V8 won't save it until it's redesigned. New platforms are coming.

For Dodge, the message in the USA is clear. They can tout how much "better" the Hurricane is until the cows come home, it won't matter. People want V8 motors. It appears they are listening.
You're probably not even in the demograph for the car lol.

"GM put the pressure on Ford to keep their V8 with the Corvette." You trying to say Ford put pressure on GM? I don't think the Mustang and Corvette are not trying to sell to the same drivers.

IDK, I think the only reason the V8 is back is because the current admin rolled back all the EPA restrictions the previous admin setup.
 
You're probably not even in the demograph for the car lol.

"GM put the pressure on Ford to keep their V8 with the Corvette." You trying to say Ford put pressure on GM? I don't think the Mustang and Corvette are not trying to sell to the same drivers.

IDK, I think the only reason the V8 is back is because the current admin rolled back all the EPA restrictions the previous admin setup.

I've been driving muscle cars since 1970, (Pontiac T/A RamAir IV). I am that demographic - older with a few coins in my pocket. ;)

Based on my personal experience, Americans that buy traditional muscle cars want the V8 motor. Dodge is making the V8 Durango as fast as they can.

Just my opinion.
 
I've been driving muscle cars since 1970, (Pontiac T/A RamAir IV). I am that demographic - older with a few coins in my pocket. ;)

Based on my personal experience, Americans that buy traditional muscle cars want the V8 motor. Dodge is making the V8 Durango as fast as they can.

Just my opinion.
You still have the 'Bird?
 
I've been driving muscle cars since 1970, (Pontiac T/A RamAir IV). I am that demographic - older with a few coins in my pocket. ;)

Based on my personal experience, Americans that buy traditional muscle cars want the V8 motor. Dodge is making the V8 Durango as fast as they can.

Just my opinion.
Didn’t stelantis do a 180 on the ev only new charger throw a turbo 6 in, and now there are rumors of a hemi again?
 
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